New theory thats worth reading

[UltimaxWeapon]

maybe Xigbar is the old guys nobody. think of this, before u fight xigbar in kh2 he mentions three soilders who once held keyblades so this means hes fought them before, hence the secret ending in final mix. also aqua might be the 14th member cause its a girl and tht might the person we saw in the final mix video when its was xigbar and old armor. so wat im saying is maybe when xehonort died xigbar was his nobody. and also maybe ven IS soras father for a few reasons.

1. sames color eyes
2. looks like roxas
3. can use a keyblade
4. has great warrior skills
these are just a few thoughts. so this might help some of u guys out, but most likly someone will correct me lol. but what r ur thoughts

[Chaser's Apprentice]

maybe Xigbar is the old guys nobody. think of this, before u fight xigbar in kh2 he mentions three soilders who once held keyblades so this means hes fought them before, hence the secret ending in final mix. also aqua might be the 14th member cause its a girl and tht might the person we saw in the final mix video when its was xigbar and old armor. so wat im saying is maybe when xehonort died xigbar was his nobody. and also maybe ven IS soras father for a few reasons.

1. sames color eyes
2. looks like roxas
3. can use a keyblade
4. has great warrior skills
these are just a few thoughts. so this might help some of u guys out, but most likly someone will correct me lol. but what r ur thoughts

*Forgetz When Xigbar Sayz That*
>_>.....Herrrrrmmmzz...<_<, I dun know when he said dat...>_>
'<GOEZ DEMYX, LUXORD, AND HAPPY FEETZ>'

[UltimaxWeapon]

its in one of the new videos in kh2 final mix

[Helix: The True Hero]

its in one of the new videos in kh2 final mix

And plus, he said "Man, you aren't half the hero/as good as the the others were", or something to that extent. :/

[UltimaxWeapon]

yaa but were talkin about when we found aquas armor in final mix video

[TwilightPrince]

i thought that was xemnas and isnt the armor just one of xehanorts old experiments he never finished

[UltimaxWeapon]

i thought that was xemnas and isnt the armor just one of xehanorts old experiments he never finished

no it was xigbar because he said "old friend" so it was xigbar. also if uve seen the final mix secret video then u would see it was aquas armor

[Kingdomhearts 3]

lol, the father idea is becoming big after i mentioned it. j/k i agree with some of the thigns ur saying, doubt Xehanorts nobody is Xigbar tho :/

[KingdomHeartsFan1990]

Xigbar is the nobody of 'Braig' meaning he must have met or seen them during his time as a Somebody. Birth By Sleep is 10 years before the first Kingdom Hearts game meaning it is very unlikely for Ven being a father because Sora is 14 in the first Kingdom Hearts game.

That's all I have to say.

[UltimaxWeapon]

idk u might be right but its just a theory

[TwilightPrince]

it was xemnas not xigbar and her armor is probably just a template to create her nobody

[UltimaxWeapon]

it was xemnas not xigbar and her armor is probably just a template to create her nobody

SO IT WAS STILL AQUA OR VEN

[Xuan]

Oh gods, how come somebody still didn't understand fully about the cutscenes~
Xemnas was speaking to Aqua's armour with Xigbar(If I remember correctly) listening from outside Xemnas' conversation. They Xigbar told these to Zexion. Xemnas was mentioning the old armour as his 'old friend', but rumours said that he was actually looking above the armour and not at the armour itself. So we know not for sure because he is hooded.
And I repeat again that it is impossible to create Nobodies out of armour. You need to lose your heart in order to seperate the body and soul for the creation of Nobody. And Nomura said in KH:BbS, there is NO Nobodies OR Heartless because it wasn't created yet that time. So quit the Nobody talk and try something else.

[TwilightPrince]

lol you want the whole truth huh but you cant rule out the possibility of creating a nobody out of someones memory or something from there past after all he created heartless with just darkness , remember his heartless isnt the real one he created it

[UltimaxWeapon]

lol you want the whole truth huh but you cant rule out the possibility of creating a nobody out of someones memory or something from there past after all he created heartless with just darkness , remember his heartless isnt the real one he created it

neither is a nobody

[Xuan]

Heartless are created when someone loses his heart. The Darkness will take hold of the heart and form a shape of its own. We call them Heartless.
Nomura did say that the new enemies we fight will not be Heartless or Nobodies. I cannot deny what you have said about the possibility, but it will not be a Nobody. It might just be something that have the same characteristics as a Nobody. So again, it was impossible for it to be a Nobody.
Lets say Light instead of the Darkness took over the heart of a person and make a shape out of its own and hunts for hearts just like the Heartless. But could we call them Heartless? They are different at the end.
Lastly, I don't really see a soul that you need to form a Nobody. Saying that Xemnas was trying to make a animated corpse sounded more likely.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Heartless are created when someone loses his heart. The Darkness will take hold of the heart and form a shape of its own. We call them Heartless.
Nomura did say that the new enemies we fight will not be Heartless or Nobodies. I cannot deny what you have said about the possibility, but it will not be a Nobody. It might just be something that have the same characteristics as a Nobody. So again, it was impossible for it to be a Nobody.
Lets say Light instead of the Darkness took over the heart of a person and make a shape out of its own and hunts for hearts just like the Heartless. But could we call them Heartless? They are different at the end.
Lastly, I don't really see a soul that you need to form a Nobody. Saying that Xemnas was trying to make a animated corpse sounded more likely.

ur right but nomura said tht we we will fight enemys very similar to heartless and nobodies

[Burning Oblivion]

Heartless are created when someone loses his heart. The Darkness will take hold of the heart and form a shape of its own. We call them Heartless.

The heartless were created by Xehanort and Ansem. Which happened after BBS. So despite this overwhelming proof, Nomura confirmed that they aren't heartless, nor nobodies.


Nomura did say that the new enemies we fight will not be Heartless or Nobodies. Lets say Light instead of the Darkness took over the heart of a person and make a shape out of its own and hunts for hearts just like the Heartless. But could we call them Heartless? They are different at the end.


If light were to take over, nothing would happen. Well, it wouldn't create a being of darkness anyway.


Lastly, I don't really see a soul that you need to form a Nobody. Saying that Xemnas was trying to make a animated corpse sounded more likely.

Confirmed in 2005. Nobody is the body and soul.


And whoever said that Ven is Sora's father, please try again. Ven is at the very minimum 10 years older than Sora. At max, he'd be 12 years. Anyone who had sex with Ven as a preteen is a rapist.

[VenFan]

Anyone who had sex with Ven as a preteen is a rapist.


lol, that is true. Besides, Ven had probably died during the events of BBS (just a thought that I had), because the majority of the scans I've seen had Ven either on the ground, almost lifeless, or being helped up by one of his commrades, and Sora can't be Ven's son if he's dead. It's as if Ven can't fight for himself. It almost makes me ashamed that this is my username...

[RXS]

okay well this is why Xigbar CANTA be that old mans nobody

everyone in ORG 13 made their name by taking their old name and adding an X
well the old guy is confirmed to be called
Master Xehanort
as in:
Keyblade Master, Xehanort

so if you mix up xehanort and add an X (which is already a version of either "No Heart" or "Another") youd get something wayyyyyyyyyyyy different than XIGBAR


sides, dont we already know Xigbars real name from the Secret Ansem Reports?

[TwilightPrince]

we do and i think that xehanort is the guy in the suit that comes out of the old man

[UltimaxWeapon]

we do and i think that xehanort is the guy in the suit that comes out of the old man

i dont think so. cause xehonort was the scientist

[TwilightPrince]

what scientist?

[UltimaxWeapon]

the real xehonort. the human xehonort who worked with diz

[TwilightPrince]

the real xehonort. the human xehonort who worked with diz

i know that but before ansem the wise A.K.A diz found him he was probably the guy in the suit

[UltimaxWeapon]

i know that but before ansem the wise A.K.A diz found him he was probably the guy in the suit

well theres kinda an age difference between the 2 dont ya think?

[Kairi1]

idk u might be right but its just a theory

Yeh but if the interview with the guys said that its not namine but it is a key character to the story

[UltimaxWeapon]

Yeh but if the interview with the guys said that its not namine but it is a key character to the story

where did namine come in to the theory?

[TwilightPrince]

i know this is about BBS

[UltimaxWeapon]

i know this is about BBS

yaa but kairi never turned into a heartless untill kh1, so neither roxas or namine would even be alive yet, and sora didnt start his journey untill he was 14

[TwilightPrince]

yaa but kairi never turned into a heartless untill kh1, so neither roxas or namine would even be alive yet, and sora didnt start his journey untill he was 14

she never turned heartless period remember the report and sora was i think 4 when BBS was happening

[UltimaxWeapon]

she never turned heartless period remember the report and sora was i think 4 when BBS was happening

yaa so he would be 14 when he started his journey

[TwilightPrince]

yaa so he would be 14 when he started his journey

exactely which leads me to believe that ,thats why riku saw the keywhole in the secret place because that was going on

[UltimaxWeapon]

exactely which leads me to believe that ,thats why riku saw the keywhole in the secret place because that was going on

i think maybe the leads to the world where u fight terra in kh2fm+, and they use the keyblades to lock and unlock the door as they come in and out to see sora and riku

[TwilightPrince]

i think maybe the leads to the world where u fight terra in kh2fm+, and they use the keyblades to lock and unlock the door as they come in and out to see sora and riku

so your saying that the doors open to different places depending on where the person wants to go

[UltimaxWeapon]

so your saying that the doors open to different places depending on where the person wants to go

it could lead to 3 places:

1. terras world
2. door to darkness
3. door to light

so in a way yaa i guess to could lead to different places, but in order for terra and ven to see sora then thts prolly where they would come from

[TwilightPrince]

so your saying the cross roads are there own world

[UltimaxWeapon]

so your saying the cross roads are there own world

well nomura said tht the cross roads r the home of the chasers so yaa, but they to different places

[ultimate king mickey]

well nomura said tht the cross roads r the home of the chasers so yaa, but they to different places

yup

[UltimaxWeapon]

yup

yup wat?
do u even kno wat were talkin about?

[TwilightPrince]

yup wat?
do u even kno wat were talkin about?

i dont think he does

[UltimaxWeapon]

i dont think he does

me neither.....

[Theory Assassin]

I don't agree with theory at all. It is almost obvious that the old man is not Xigbar I mean if he was he would be the leader of the organization and sora wouldn't have beaten him.

[UltimaxWeapon]

I don't agree with theory at all. It is almost obvious that the old man is not Xigbar I mean if he was he would be the leader of the organization and sora wouldn't have beaten him.

i didnt say he was the old man, i said he was the old mans nobodie, and theres enough proof to say tht the nobodie is xigbar.

[Togo]

i didnt say he was the old man, i said he was the old mans nobodie, and theres enough proof to say tht the nobodie is xigbar.

i dunno because he said he saw three keyblade wielders he didnt say he fought them and besides, xigbar uses guns not a keyblade.

[Lightning Strike]

Do you think that Xehanort isn't really his name, do you think he either took the name from Master Xehanort or its his relative somehow?

[TwilightPrince]

Do you think that Xehanort isn't really his name, do you think he either took the name from Master Xehanort or its his relative somehow?

he might have taken his name seeing he took ansems

[UltimaxWeapon]

he might have taken his name seeing he took ansems

so if hes not really xehonort then maybe xigbar is his nobodie

[TerraT3]

maybe Xigbar is the old guys nobody. think of this, before u fight xigbar in kh2 he mentions three soilders who once held keyblades so this means hes fought them before, hence the secret ending in final mix. also aqua might be the 14th member cause its a girl and tht might the person we saw in the final mix video when its was xigbar and old armor. so wat im saying is maybe when xehonort died xigbar was his nobody. and also maybe ven IS soras father for a few reasons.

1. sames color eyes
2. looks like roxas
3. can use a keyblade
4. has great warrior skills
these are just a few thoughts. so this might help some of u guys out, but most likly someone will correct me lol. but what r ur thoughts
i think the 14 member is aqua nobody

[TwilightPrince]

i think the 14 member is aqua nobody

wrong thread guy see 358/2
any way i dont xigbar is the old guys nobody remember nobodies look like there former selves alittle bit and since the old guy is bald and xigbar has hair they cant be connected

[UltimaxWeapon]

wrong thread guy see 358/2
any way i dont xigbar is the old guys nobody remember nobodies look like there former selves alittle bit and since the old guy is bald and xigbar has hair they cant be connected

no tht was one of my theories too

[TwilightPrince]

oh ok then but the old guy is definetly evil or it would be funny if he wasnt

[UltimaxWeapon]

oh ok then but the old guy is definetly evil or it would be funny if he wasnt

i think we all knew he was evil lol... i mean its xehonort

[TwilightPrince]

it would be funny if the kh games were just trails for sora kairi and riku and that the only real enemys were malifesent and them

[UltimaxWeapon]

it would be funny if the kh games were just trails for sora kairi and riku and that the only real enemys were malifesent and them

i dont understand wat your saying

[TwilightPrince]

im saying that what if it were all just some test for them and the real enemy was coming to destroy them

[UltimaxWeapon]

im saying that what if it were all just some test for them and the real enemy was coming to destroy them

then maybe kh3 is the real challenge, and the letter mickey sent him says all tht

[TwilightPrince]

It says that they past the final test and now the real journey could begin

[UltimaxWeapon]

It says that they past the final test and now the real journey could begin

yaa

[TwilightPrince]

well what ever KH3 is about i hope its very hard like you cant win without dying on every boss at least once

[UltimaxWeapon]

well what ever KH3 is about i hope its very hard like you cant win without dying on every boss at least once

and critical mode would be like standard mode

[TwilightPrince]

and theyde have a mode called titan mode

[UltimaxWeapon]

and theyde have a mod called titan mode

yaa all of this would be kool.

ok now back on topic, where did we leave off?

[TwilightPrince]

umm something about xemnas i think

[UltimaxWeapon]

we were talkin about the xemnas and aqua reserection thing

[TwilightPrince]

ohh yeah so what else is a possibilty on the 14th member

[Ashen Lionheart]

well what ever KH3 is about i hope its very hard like you cant win without dying on every boss at least once

You WANT to spend hours fighting end-game bosses only to be killed over and over? I don't have that kind of time. They make critical mode for a reason. I don't care how hard the bosses are on critical mode, but on normal mode they'd better not be 1 hour+ just to beat each boss...especially if it only takes fifteen minutes to fight them.

[UltimaxWeapon]

You WANT to spend hours fighting end-game bosses only to be killed over and over? I don't have that kind of time. They make critical mode for a reason. I don't care how hard the bosses are on critical mode, but on normal mode they'd better not be 1 hour+ just to beat each boss...especially if it only takes fifteen minutes to fight them.

yaa tht just makes the game more fun and challenging.

the only hard game out of the three was COM and tht really wasnt tht hard.

we true kingdom hearts gamers want a real challenge.

[TwilightPrince]

you said it i want to be able to develope a strategy by the 3 try then beat the boss

[Ashen Lionheart]

You need a life. I want to play a game, not join a religion. I'm not going to fight a boss three times just to figure out how to beat it. If I can't figure out a strategy after fighting him once and thinking about it for a few minutes, I got to cheatcc.com and look one up. If you want to play a game that's ridiculously difficult, fine, but I don't, and most people are like me.

[TwilightPrince]

well that is true but you dont want to beat the game in the first two hours do you

[Lightning Strike]

I want a challenge, i want bosses that change their fighting style, that have a few surprises so that after you think you have figured out the way to beat it, it does something that makes you have to re-think, i think if your a true fan, its not just the story you love, but the game-play as well

[TwilightPrince]

yup exactely like an ai system type boss fight that changes every time you lose

[Ashen Lionheart]

I want an AI that doesn't rely on pre-programmed moves at all, which has no moments when it's vulnerable and moments when it's not. I just want a good physics engine and a boss that will always lose health no matter where or how I hit it, and a boss that will fight back with actual AI. But that's a lot to ask from Square; innovative physics engines and AI is not their forte.

[UltimaxWeapon]

guys i want tht just as bad as u do.

infact i just beat RE: COM on proud mode which is easily the hardest game in history of kingdom hearts.

but can we please get back on topic.....

[TwilightPrince]

which was what exactly

[Deja Vu]

I never really thought about that....

They do look the same, and have the same powers...

Hmm.

[TwilightPrince]

ha what are you talking about im confused

[UltimaxWeapon]

You need a life. I want to play a game, not join a religion. I'm not going to fight a boss three times just to figure out how to beat it. If I can't figure out a strategy after fighting him once and thinking about it for a few minutes, I got to cheatcc.com and look one up. If you want to play a game that's ridiculously difficult, fine, but I don't, and most people are like me.

hey dude if ur gonna come in here and be a a$$hole about stuf then shut up. i do i have life, infact me and my band are goin on tour in about 4 months so id shut my mouth u fagget, and a apparently most peolpe arent like u cause they all want really hard bosses too, its not our fault u suck at kingdom hearts

[lionsbarrage]

hey dude if ur gonna come in here and be a a$$hole about stuf then shut up. i do i have life, infact me and my band are goin on tour in about 4 months so id shut my mouth u fagget, and a apparently most peolpe arent like u cause they all want really hard bosses too, its not our fault u suck at kingdom hearts


I would say to at least cool it ur language, just cause well i dont want a moderator telling u off. However ur point is valid though. One main reason Kh2fm was made was for harder challenges in the new bosses. We all want them, and to just try once, then go to cheats takes all the fun from it. Fights that can change from one tim to another is really good.

[UltimaxWeapon]

I would say to at least cool it ur language, just cause well i dont want a moderator telling u off. However ur point is valid though. One main reason Kh2fm was made was for harder challenges in the new bosses. We all want them, and to just try once, then go to cheats takes all the fun from it. Fights that can change from one tim to another is really good.

sorry for the language, but ur right to if ur gonna use cheats cause u suck so bad then just dont play the game

[TwilightPrince]

exactely thats why i dont use cheats until ive beaten the game at least 90%

[Ashen Lionheart]

I didn't even know Kingdom Hearts had cheats.

[UltimaxWeapon]

I didn't even know Kingdom Hearts had cheats.

its called codebreakers, but still its pointless to use cheats