Where Do The Crossroads Lead?

[Key of Valor]

Roads lead somewhere. So must the Crossroads as well.
Where do you think they lead?

[lionsbarrage]

think they just lead to the other worlds, i mean they come and go from it.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

the crossroads lead to the realm(i think)
road to light leads to realm of light(it says to light!!)
road to dark leads to realm of darkness
road to dawn leads to realm of dawn(????)
road to twilt leads to realm of twilight (?????)

then they each have there own keyblade

[kingoflight]

which one is light there were the orignal keyblade mickey's and rikus
so which one was light

[Roxas[Nobody]]

which one is light there were the orignal keyblade mickey's and rikus
so which one was light

mickey - dark
riku- dawn
sora- light

[Key of Valor]

Realm of Darkness-Southern Road-?
Realm of Light-Northern Road-Sora's Key
Realm of Dawn-Eastern Road-Riku's Key
Realm of Nightfall-Western Road-Mickey's Key

This is my personal opinion.

What I meany in my original question is which world to you think these
worlds lead because I've heard lots of different things like...
Light-Hallow Bastion
Darkness-Traverse Town
Nightfall-The World That Never Was
Dawn-Twilight Town

I was wondering where you guys think they lead to specifically?

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well i can say for a act tht mickey haves the dark kingdom key thts y he was in the realm of dark searching for it

[Key of Valor]

Mickey's Key is believed to be the Key of Darkness and perhaps it is.
Even with all the evidence proving so I have not yet agreed to believe
this for two main reasons.

It lied on what I believe to be the Road to Nightfall.

The Key of Darkness seems as though it should
be reserved for the main enemy of BBS.

Speaking of BBS I have one question,
Who picked up Mickey's Key? Was it Terra?

[Roxas[Nobody]]

i forgot but i think terra didnt pick up the dark kingdom key

and mickey was in the realm of darkness at the end of kh1 and then went to the realm tht the castle of obvilion was in.
what i dont get is y mickey had to search in the realm of darkness for the keyblade unless terra hided it there or they go back to the realm it can from when it leaves its wielder

i was thinkin and typing at the same time ahah

[Key of Valor]

:confused:

Sorry but I don't understand your post.
Could you retype it with more details.

Oh, Okay. Anyway, I don't recall the game
saying that Mickey found the Key in the Dark
Realm but what I do recall is the prophecy in
Xehanort's Lab. It is the last bit of the Ansem
Notes and it states... I forget exactly, Something
about Kingdom Hearts and how two keys are
needed to seal the dark door. I'll have posted
here tomorrow.

[kingoflight]

whhhhhaaaaatttt?

[Key of Valor]

Ya, Xehanort's Secret Lab in KH1. In the World of the Heartless.
There is a computer with the last results of Xehanort's Research
that we know of that exists. It's a really cool thing to just sit down
and read.

[lionsbarrage]

i awnser 2 of ur questions. When u cant recall how they said mickey found the keyblade in the darkrealm, or something of the sort. Yen sid told Sora when hevisited yen sid. He said to Sora "he found the dark realms keyblade."

As far as ur other one, in which is think also proves why mickeys is the dark keyblade. In order for KH to be closed and locked up, it needed the power of 2 keyblades, not just Sora's. But if we were to theorize that mickeys was the dark keyblade, it would fit in right seeing as how u need light and darkness powered keyblades to close KH.

[Key of Valor]

For your first answer I do recall Yensid saying that but are
expected to believe that Yensid know's everything. He didn't
even know what the Organization was after. Besides, even if
that is true that Mickey's Key is of the dark realm then that
means it can only narrow down the possibilities to Darkness
and Nightfall which are two we already hold in question.

As for your second reason I might agree if it wasn't for my theory
that suggests that Sora's side of the door wasn't the realm of light.

Finally I am glad to say I have Xehanort's Final Result right here
word for word:

Ones born of the heart and
darkness, devoid of hearts,
ravage all worlds and
bring desolation.


Seize all hearts and
consummate the great heart.
All hearts to be one,
one heart to encompass all.


Realize the destiny:
the realm of Kingdom Hearts.
The great darkness sealed
within the great heart.


Progeny of darkness, come
back to the eternal darkness.

For the heart of light
shall unseal the path.


Seven hearts, one Keyhole,
one key to the door.

The door to darkness,
tied by two keys.


The door of darkness to
seal the light.

None shall pass but shadows,
returning to the darkness.


Ones born of the heart
and darkness, hunger
for every heart until
the dark door opens.

[kingoflight]

so what

[lionsbarrage]

hes just putting it there because questions were brought up about it, and why u needed 2 keys to seal KH.

[Key of Valor]

You mean two keys to the door to darkness?
Thats a good question.
Probably because it needs to be shut
on both sides at the same time.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well wouldnt u need way to the dawn to becuz when the door to kingdom hearts appeared on kh mickey, sora, and riku opened tht door

[Key of Valor]

Hm... I don't think all three of them were necessary but I could be wrong.
I think they just worked together to open the door for no particular reason.

[lionsbarrage]

yeah i dont think there was a reason for that either, however it also was no them who summoned that door, but some higher power.

[Key of Valor]

My cousin who says he knows everything said that
higher power is called the Manipulators and that they
decide everything including who gets the Keyblade.

I don't believe my cousin for a second cause he
has had a past of saying things about videogames
that are ridicolously unbelievable but I just thought
I would bring it up to see what you guys think.

[lionsbarrage]

i dont buy it either, what i do think is that light and darkness do have some power of their own, and some can take forms that are easy to be around, such as that voice that always plays thru the head of Sora and roxas , u know the one in station of calling and before opening the last door. Anyways i think that if the balance of darkness or light ever shifts, the higher power comes in.

[Key of Valor]

The higher power is Kingdom Hearts.
And this is just a random theory but
I think the voice Sora hears is Ven's.

[lionsbarrage]

that is very random, but i dont know if the higher power is KH also. we really dont know anything about it other then it guides the heros of light.

[Key of Valor]

Well ya, I guess we don't know if it's
KH or not but I personally thought
that it would make sense.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

The higher power is Kingdom Hearts.
And this is just a random theory but
I think the voice Sora hears is Ven's.

yy do u think tht

[Key of Valor]

Cause Kh is the heart of everything and it
must have some direct power over the worlds.
Also Mickey said that the world gave them the
door.

[lionsbarrage]

well, with that itn mind, its something like, Kh does not have direct power itself, however how a person uses it, can determine what will happen, and with that shift of power, the worlds, gave the heros that doorway, in hopes they can return that balance.

[Key of Valor]

Well said.

[Valitrex]

They lead to Darkness, Twilight, Light, and Dawn.

[Ashen Lionheart]

If you actually read the thread, you'd know that he already knows this and wants a more specific answer. He doesn't want to know which realm they lead to, he wants to know which world they lead too.

Each of these worlds would, presumably, be the passageway into all the other worlds. Now, we've heard that The World That Never Was, Castle Oblivion, Twilight Town, and Traverse Town are all in the in-between area. I don't think it's coincidence that there's four of these worlds in between.

I would say...

Light=Traverse Town
Dawn=Twilight Town
Dusk=Castle Oblivion
Darkness=TWTNW

Traverse Town is the place where all the fleeing inhabitants of assorted worlds of Light go when their worlds are consumed by Darkness. Further, it is the homebase of the good guys in KH1. Thus, I think it's Light.

Twilight Town is where Riku and DiZ operate out of during 358/7 Days and KH2. Thus, I would guess that it is the world Riku first found walking down the road to Dawn.

The World That Never Was is said to be the world closest to the realm of Darkness out of the four (The interview where Noumura says this is on kingdomhearts3.net). Thus, it is most likely the gateway to Darkness.

In Chain of Memories, Sora found Castle Oblivion at the end of one of these four roads, thus it must be the gate to one of these four locations. Dusk is the only one left, and given that it was used as an Organization hideout, it seems likely.

Some of you may ask "But Sora went from Kingdom Hearts to the crossroads! Which road leads to Kingdom Hearts?" The answer is; none of them. Kingdom Hearts exists in the same nexus world as the crossroads itself.

Note that most of this is theory, but it's all at least supported by solid fact.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

if the crossroad leds to these places it would all be one big world with the crossroads in the middle leading to the different places
and the dark realm doesnt look like TWTNW cause u see a piece of it in kh and kh2
the realm of dark is about of an island
and destiny island is part of the realm of light

[lionsbarrage]

U know, i may be wrong, but i think were taking the whole crossraods leading to all those different realms to literally, i mean sure it has a big siginificance, but i think its just as a way as describing what rode we rally want to take. I think its just a world all its own, thats close to everything, but not really leading to anywhere. I dunno its confusing.

[Ashen Lionheart]

Why can't the crossroads lead to different worlds? Who says a trans-world portal can't be subtley woven into the crossroads? Or maybe they are all the same world, and it's an extremely large world, as it would have to be in order to link to all four realms.

And Nomura said that TWTNW was the closest of the four worlds to the Darkness (though it isn't in the Darkness itself). I said this in my first post. Learn to read.

[lionsbarrage]

i just dont see how it has different laws than other worlds when it comes to being seperated by those invisible walls.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well jus because its the closest to the realm of darkness doesnt mean its in it
maybe its because nobodies and heartless live there and its and evil world

[lionsbarrage]

he never really said it was in it, just close to it, much like the end of the worlds and hallow bastion was in in the first KH.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

Sora: Yeah. The other side...the realm of light is safe now. Kairi, the King,
and the others are there.

well sora said tht in the end of kh2 thts y i think destiny islands have sum thin to do wit the realm of light

[lionsbarrage]

yeah, but that world he was in, was something new and different, but what would destiny islands have to do with the realm of light?

[Key of Valor]

I agree with Ashen Lionheart that the crossroads could lead to corriders that
are connected to specific and individual worlds. That was what this thread was
original made for.

My personal theory is this

Light-Hallow Bastion
Dark-Traverse Town
Nightfall-TWTNW
Dawn-Twilight Town

I'm not to firm on my opinion though.
And I do think that there could be multiple
destinations in the crossroads.

The reason I think Hallow Bastion is among
these because it appears to possess significant
importance over other worlds. Also if the fight at
the end of the BBS Trailer takes place near the end
and Xehanort appears injured in Hallow Bastion then
it would appear that the battle grounds were somehow
connected with Hallow Bastion.

And I've said this before but I strongly do not believe
that Destiny Island itself plays any importance in the
KH World.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well traverse town doesnt have and sand or ocean or a like dark tree vine thingys tht were in the realm of darkness when riku and mickey were in there in kh and when sora and riku were there in kh2

[lionsbarrage]

but why would light equal radiant garden, and dark equal traverse town.

[Key of Valor]

Well I guess what I'm saying is that Traverse Twon is the back door of
the Realm of Darkness. Get what I mean? Crossroads to Realm of Darkness
to Traverse Town and the End of the World. Basically two back doors like
what Ansem the Wise said in his notes about the many corriders to the Realm
of Darkness.

They're not equal but only loosely connected.

[lionsbarrage]

im still not sure i get it, but traverse town wasnt really near the dark realm, from what were specualting, it was a midways safe base for the escapees of radiant garden.

[Valitrex]

If you actually read the thread, you'd know that he already knows this and wants a more specific answer. He doesn't want to know which realm they lead to, he wants to know which world they lead too.

Each of these worlds would, presumably, be the passageway into all the other worlds. Now, we've heard that The World That Never Was, Castle Oblivion, Twilight Town, and Traverse Town are all in the in-between area. I don't think it's coincidence that there's four of these worlds in between.

I would say...

Light=Traverse Town
Dawn=Twilight Town
Dusk=Castle Oblivion
Darkness=TWTNW

Traverse Town is the place where all the fleeing inhabitants of assorted worlds of Light go when their worlds are consumed by Darkness. Further, it is the homebase of the good guys in KH1. Thus, I think it's Light.

Twilight Town is where Riku and DiZ operate out of during 358/7 Days and KH2. Thus, I would guess that it is the world Riku first found walking down the road to Dawn.

The World That Never Was is said to be the world closest to the realm of Darkness out of the four (The interview where Noumura says this is on kingdomhearts3.net). Thus, it is most likely the gateway to Darkness.

In Chain of Memories, Sora found Castle Oblivion at the end of one of these four roads, thus it must be the gate to one of these four locations. Dusk is the only one left, and given that it was used as an Organization hideout, it seems likely.

Some of you may ask "But Sora went from Kingdom Hearts to the crossroads! Which road leads to Kingdom Hearts?" The answer is; none of them. Kingdom Hearts exists in the same nexus world as the crossroads itself.

Note that most of this is theory, but it's all at least supported by solid fact.

Oh, then in that case, I think:

Light- Destiny Islands
Twilight- Twilight Town
Dawn- Castle Oblivion
Darkness-The World that Never Was

[Roxas[Nobody]]

Oh, then in that case, I think:

Light- Destiny Islands
Twilight- Twilight Town
Dawn- Castle Oblivion
Darkness-The World that Never Was

tht cant be possible becuz at the end of CoM riku leaves Castle Oblivion then goes to the road to dawn

[lionsbarrage]

yeah exactly, u know from what i seen the only place of light, where no heartless or evil reaches, is disney castle, i mean as long as the cornerstone of light is there and active.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Well I guess what I'm saying is that Traverse Twon is the back door of
the Realm of Darkness. Get what I mean? Crossroads to Realm of Darkness
to Traverse Town and the End of the World. Basically two back doors like
what Ansem the Wise said in his notes about the many corriders to the Realm
of Darkness.

They're not equal but only loosely connected.

lol dude weve talked about this before, its,

Dark
Light
Twilight
Oblivion(nightfall)

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well if it is obvilion then the Caslte of Obivilion is in tht realm...lol

[UltimaxWeapon]

well if it is obvilion then the Caslte of Obivilion is in tht realm...lol

this is all what he said

[Key of Valor]

Well I know we've discussed realms before but I'm not talking about
realms specifically, I'm talking about worlds and which ones are connected
to which world.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Well I know we've discussed realms before but I'm not talking about
realms specifically, I'm talking about worlds and which ones are connected
to which world.

well i guess road to dawn would lead to worlds, cause in the reverse/rebirth credits in Re: com riku and mickey were walkin through hollow bation

[lionsbarrage]

yeah but i dont think he connects to anywhere in particular, cause if it did connec to hallow bastion u would be able to see it, unless at the end of each raod theres a teleporter right there.

[UltimaxWeapon]

yeah but i dont think he connects to anywhere in particular, cause if it did connec to hallow bastion u would be able to see it, unless at the end of each raod theres a teleporter right there.

well im not sayin the road to dawn leads to hollow bastion. im just pointing it out that in the Re: com credits u see riku and king mickey in the place where u fought the 1000 heartless

[Key of Valor]

I think there might be some kind of portal on the roads
that can take you to different worlds and realms like the
door at the end of the road to darkness that lead to the
realm of darkness.

[UltimaxWeapon]

I think there might be some kind of portal on the roads
that can take you to different worlds and realms like the
door at the end of the road to darkness that lead to the
realm of darkness.

so could the realm of darkness lead to other worlds?

[Key of Valor]

I believe so.
Such as the End of the World
and Travers Town but of course
those are just my opinions.

[UltimaxWeapon]

I believe so.
Such as the End of the World
and Travers Town but of course
those are just my opinions.

it would make sense, since i guess the road to dawn does lead to hollow bastion and to other worlds

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well if they lead to worlds them the place behind the door in kh1 tht riku and mickey were at must be a world unless the realms are jus realms

but what im confuse about is at the end of kh2 were sora and riku in the realm of darkness? and from what sora said is destiny island part of the realm of light

[UltimaxWeapon]

well if they lead to worlds them the place behind the door in kh1 tht riku and mickey were at must be a world unless the realms are jus realms

but what im confuse about is at the end of kh2 were sora and riku in the realm of darkness? and from what sora said is destiny island part of the realm of light

the realm of light could lead t destiny islands

[Key of Valor]

The ending of KH2 confused me too.
From what I understand the final battles
took place in the nearly completed alternate
universe but the world was unstable and
disapated into the realm of darkness.

[lionsbarrage]

well it was virtually in KH.

[UltimaxWeapon]

The ending of KH2 confused me too.
From what I understand the final battles
took place in the nearly completed alternate
universe but the world was unstable and
disapated into the realm of darkness.

so could the door to light be where the one who tried to take it over was defeated?

[lionsbarrage]

well, it has light and darkness, i guess to the whim of its user.

[Key of Valor]

I think the door to light was more of a unlocking of Sora's future destiny.
If he was able to open the door between realms with his heart then perhaps
he is now ready to take on the mightiest dark force.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well i think in kh2 sora and kairi opened the light to destiny island

[UltimaxWeapon]

well i think in kh2 sora and kairi opened the light to destiny island

yaa with the letter that kairi sent sora at the end of kh2

[Key of Valor]

It must be more than that.
I think Sora changed world
order by doing so.
Think of it. When the door
to darkness was opened
it caused darkness to infultrate
light but perhaps the opening of
the door to light had reverse positive
effects on the world.

[lionsbarrage]

yeah, but the world order is what they do, i dont think light or darkness has really effect on that order. I mean darkness destroys it, but light just keeps it the way it is. I mean KH is both the door to light and darkness, and its just the strentght or their hearts hta can bring it forward.

[Key of Valor]

I do believe that light and darkness effect the world order but maybe thats
just me. Lastly, I don't think KH is a door, I think it's a heart.

[lionsbarrage]

darkness does have an effect, the only effect though is just destroying that world entirely, light doesnt have an influence over it sinc it just remains the way it is, peaceful, unless u were to have every person in that specific world have their hearts pure and full of light. But then again that upsets the balance, in which the darkness must come in. lastly Kh is a door weve seen it twice already, it holds the the greates light hidden i nthe deepest darkness, but also it is all about hearts, which is why it comes into the shape of a heart as well.

[Key of Valor]

There are no doors in the game seen thus far that have been called kingdom hearts.
In KH1 Ansem was refering to the place in which they were currently at.
The door to darkness lies with the great heart.

[vanilla bear]

the large door we saw at the end of kh1, where did that lead? that was just the door to darkness right? have we really seen the concept of a door to kingdom hearts?

[lionsbarrage]

There are no doors in the game seen thus far that have been called kingdom hearts.
In KH1 Ansem was refering to the place in which they were currently at.
The door to darkness lies with the great heart.

What he was referring to as KH was that door we, saw even after they defeated him, focused is eyes and arms to reach out to those Giant doors calling it KH.

[vanilla bear]

when ansem's heartless said "kingdom hearts fill me with whatever he said" the door blasted the light.. but later we see sora and mickey working to close that door becuase on the other side was darkness... am i just missing the part where they stepped through the door? how did that play out, i totally forget

[Key of Valor]

Ansem was calling upon ultimate darkness and using Kindom Hearts to use it
but he made a fatal error in believing that Kingdom Hearts was darkness and
when calling upon kingdom hearts to fill him with the its essence a great light
was released that lied within the darkness. Ansem believed that Kingdom Hearts
and darkness were tied together which they are but what he didn't realize is
that associating the darkness known to kingdom hearts would reveal light.

This is how I've made sense of the situation.
I had some help from a thread I opened when
I first joined called What is Kingdom Hearts.
Basically I took what I was told in that thread
to develop my own theory and to me it makes
perfect sense.

Of course what KH truly is still up to debate
but personally I think it is not the door or what
ever lied beyond the door (which was the realm
of darkness)

[vanilla bear]

i'd like to see this series have all its questions resolved with the third game, whenever that will be.. i'd hate for this to become a series that drags on and on

[Key of Valor]

I agree.

[Unkown-Aelix]

haaalll righty! I've completle skimmed the last few posts and am goning to state what we know, which happens to be where 2 paths of the cross roads lead!

We know one leads to this place: http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/Aelix-_-/wheredidtheygo.jpg
(sorry for markings this is an old screen)

We know that becuase at the end of KH1 he walks along this path and ends up at the cross roads.

That place in the above pic is Kingdom Hearts, as we learned in the first game. man I want that door for my house.


The other path we know leads to Castle Oblivion, because that is how Sora gets there. The Org. member leads him there from the crossroads.



so....Kingdom Hearts itself, and Castle Oblivion. Oh lets not forget that in Sunset Horizions the Old Man comes from one of the directions as well as the 3 soldiers. Which means one of these four comes from Kingdom hearts itself, and one comes from where Castle Oblivion will be (because it was built before the KH series but after Sunset Horizions)



hmmmmm.....

[lionsbarrage]

haaalll righty! I've completle skimmed the last few posts and am goning to state what we know, which happens to be where 2 paths of the cross roads lead!

We know one leads to this place: http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/Aelix-_-/wheredidtheygo.jpg
(sorry for markings this is an old screen)

We know that becuase at the end of KH1 he walks along this path and ends up at the cross roads.

That place in the above pic is Kingdom Hearts, as we learned in the first game. man I want that door for my house.


The other path we know leads to Castle Oblivion, because that is how Sora gets there. The Org. member leads him there from the crossroads.



so....Kingdom Hearts itself, and Castle Oblivion. Oh lets not forget that in Sunset Horizions the Old Man comes from one of the directions as well as the 3 soldiers. Which means one of these four comes from Kingdom hearts itself, and one comes from where Castle Oblivion will be (because it was built before the KH series but after Sunset Horizions)



hmmmmm.....

WHile th latter part of ur statement is true the first may not be. Sora does end up o nthe path to the crossraods from KH however so do other worlds, remember the whole place the ywere in was just the remnants of the worlds taken by the heartless, just like what Kairi was standing on was a peice of destiny islands. SO them landing on the crossraods road was just a coincidence, but that just m yguess.

[Key of Valor]

This is my theory.

Kingdom Hearts is a relam that contains the great heart. This realm does include
the crossroads and the place at the end of KH1 where the island was as well as
the dark empty space where you see the door and fight the last boss. Technically
my theory suggests that the places the crossorads lead my not even be worlds
but instead another place in the same realm.

[lionsbarrage]

but the door itself contained the hearts of all worlds, but the empty space they were in, whchi i remember now is another reason why it is not KH is because it is a heartless world. A world with the remnants of the wrodls taken by the heartless, since KH was then opened and sealed and with xehanort gone the worlds and hearts of it returned to normal, however i think that the crossraods like destiny isalnds may have been one of those worlds destroyed as well.

[Key of Valor]

Well I think when Sora passed through that tiny door at the save point
he was taken to the Realm of Kingdom Hearts where birth is given to
hearts. I don't believe that place was part of the End of the World but
because of the path revealed be the Keyhole the two were connected.
Besides, except for when Destiny Island is being rebuilt there are no
trace of world remnants.

[lionsbarrage]

Well I think when Sora passed through that tiny door at the save point
he was taken to the Realm of Kingdom Hearts where birth is given to
hearts. I don't believe that place was part of the End of the World but
because of the path revealed be the Keyhole the two were connected.
Besides, except for when Destiny Island is being rebuilt there are no
trace of world remnants.

i still think it was part, i only thin kti placed there as u know just a big stop saign just like the voice tells u its our last safe haven, but i could be wrong. in Any case the big doors has to be KH, I mean xehanort makes reference to it multiple times in cluding Sora. As opposed to other way around.

[Key of Valor]

The references could be interpreted many different ways.
The most obvious one is to say they were talking about what
was on the other side of the door, followed by the idea that
it is really the door, third less likely way is to say it was where
they were currently at.

Kingdom Hearts is only ever described twice by two people.
Ansem calls it dark depths you can see if you look around
and Sora calls it light. The door can't be described as dark
depths so thats why I think the door being it is not a possibility.
Sora calls it light which only appears from the other side of the
door but if you recall light returns to the dark depths and the
darkness entirely disappears. This is why I think it is the place
where you fight the last boss.

[lionsbarrage]

maybe u misinterpeted what i meant, the door itsel no is not KH what is behind it where riku and the king are at is KH, the door is just the gates of KH really. Ansome though Kh was just full of darkness which in tun is a yes but thats not all it holds, KH has the strongest light as well hidden in the great darkness. Sora could have been in KH when that door was sealed bu Riku and mickey were, cause to say the part where they fought asnem makes no sense because they do not return from it. that means they are basically stuck in kingdom hearts the entire time and enter another kingdom hearts withing kingdom hearts in KH2 only to return to the regular KH.

[Key of Valor]

You lost me towards the end. :(

All I know is that the side where Mickey and Riku
were on is called the Realm of Darkness but whether
or not that side is connected to KH I do not know.

[lionsbarrage]

well, it is called KH, but it prolly is both a realm of darkness and of light. What im saying in the other is if that empty space Sora was in was KH, that means they never really left Kh in which there inside it the entire time thru com and KH2, and then in KH2 go inside another KH within KH.

[Key of Valor]

From what I understood, ya, thats kind of what I mean.
KH is a heart and a realm and the power of KH radiets
from its bond with the world and realms.

[lionsbarrage]

well Kh does have an effect on the worlds and realms alike, i think that its just part of the regular worlds that connects them all together. Especially since it can be brought forth from anywhere.

[Key of Valor]

I agree. It's connected to everything because it's the heart of everything.

[lionsbarrage]

well im not sure heart of every single thing, and we never got to see it fully finished before it was destroyed, to really tell.

[Key of Valor]

Personally I don't think the fake Kingdom Hearts would ever be able to match
the power of the real Kingdom Hearts.

And I think Kingdom Hearts is the heart of everything because all hearts
are born from it and all worlds are born of it.

[lionsbarrage]

fake KH? anyways well it does say all hearts born, but i think world hhearts have a slighty different exception.

[Xuan]

'X' means the doubt that someone faced. Someone who doesn't know his true desire of his heart. Then they were branded 'X'.

Nobodies don't have a heart. Which is why they give themselves an 'X' symbol within their names. They believed that, once they obtained their hearts, they will finally know their true desire, their true aim, and that is when they could banish the 'X' from their names.

The Crossroad. Sora faced it once. He was torn between two desires: To find Riku and King Mickey, and to go back to Destiny Island and live with Kairi. Which leads to KH:CoM.

[lionsbarrage]

'X' means the doubt that someone faced. Someone who doesn't know his true desire of his heart. Then they were branded 'X'.

Nobodies don't have a heart. Which is why they give themselves an 'X' symbol within their names. They believed that, once they obtained their hearts, they will finally know their true desire, their true aim, and that is when they could banish the 'X' from their names.

The Crossroad. Sora faced it once. He was torn between two desires: To find Riku and King Mickey, and to go back to Destiny Island and live with Kairi. Which leads to KH:CoM.


That info is again an assumption, but forSora he wasnt torn, his goals were set, he knew he could go back to the islands but not without Riku first.

[Key of Valor]

Ya, the only thing Sora was torn against was
the gain and lost that lied on the path.

Whatever the X stands for has to a definition
that explains why an X appears most everywhere
else.

As for Fake KH, you didn't interpret that the
heart shaped moon in KH2 as a fake KH?
It's been theorized as many different things
and non of which has been proven right or
wrong. You interpreted it as the formation
of the actual KH, right? That is the most
widely believed idea but I believe something
else. That Xemnas wasn't trying to take over
the world but build his own using a new world
power. A new KH in which created a new and
seperate reality that could be determined by
the one who controled it.

[lionsbarrage]

well i know what Xemnas intentions were, but as far as that moon shape being KH, well i honestly cant give an awnser as to i fit was or wasnt KH. i mean he thinks he knows the heart but he is wrong, but then again if it wasnt KH what would it be called.

SPOILER

The same could be said about the KH moon that appeared at the end of the BBS trailer.

[Xuan]

Sora has his goal set, but he didn't know if he will succeed. He doubted himself, he was afraid that he might never see his friends again. This, I have proof, it is a scene where Sora questioning his abilities to find Riku and meet Kairi in the comic CoM.

However the assumption, this is the closest meaning of 'X' and Crossroads. It might be just a game, but there is still human logic inside the game.

[vanilla bear]

maybe the crossroads don't necessarily lead to a given place, but their destinations become what the path-takers make them

[lionsbarrage]

But there are also contraciting things to him doubting himself. He promised Kairi he would come back, and as the ysaid in com, the best way to get over fear and doubt is to have a promise in ur heart to furfill. And whenever Sora begins to doubt himself donald and Goofy are always there to snap him out of it.

[Xuan]

Yes, you're right. But remember, when Donald and Goofy was asleep when Sora as thinking of his choices, doubting himself. That slight chance was what all Marluxia needs to bring him to the Crossroads, where all doubting persons will have to choose their paths ahead. Which leads to the CoM. But Sora made the right choice, didn't he? My guess is no matter what path Sora chose, he would end up at Castle Oblivion, but the outcome would have been different if Sora feels dejected or hopeless. Sora chose to find Riku and King Mickey, then return to Kairi together. That promise he had made and his belief in his friends won him the day, as we've seen.

Oh, damn I'm making made-up statements again. Never mind. Its quite nice anyway :D.

[vanilla bear]

well i'm not sure if the creators of the game believe in fate or not, because no matter what paths characters may take, they should always come out to their predetermined location

[lionsbarrage]

just like how Kairi states, there are many worlds out there, but they all share the same sky, one sky; one destiny.

[Xuan]

Yeah. And I believe the sky was Sora. One destiny. That was a prediction.

[vanilla bear]

Yeah. And I believe the sky was Sora. One destiny. That was a prediction.

what does that mean?

[Key of Valor]

Sora's name means sky but I don't think its that important.
I think Kairi's name means ocean and Namine means ocean
wave which explains the origin to Namine's name.

[vanilla bear]

yeah i know what all their names mean, but to say sora is the sky, one destiny.. :confused:

[Key of Valor]

Ya, I don't think that has anything to do with Sora
either in the sense of Sky refering to him.

[Xuan]

I hope it doesn't. It will spoil the ending if Kairi's letter that is so oh-full-of-love was actually a prediction about Sora's destiny.

[Unkown-Aelix]

WHile th latter part of ur statement is true the first may not be. Sora does end up o nthe path to the crossraods from KH however so do other worlds, remember the whole place the ywere in was just the remnants of the worlds taken by the heartless, just like what Kairi was standing on was a peice of destiny islands. SO them landing on the crossraods road was just a coincidence, but that just m yguess.

hmmm...I guess that KH itself could make its "door" open anywhere, but the place that Sora and Riku are at the end of KH2 is the realy KH itself.



Hmmm their names would probably have something to do with it.


I really think that none of our theories are actually it, Nomura probably has some idea that only he would think of.

[Xuan]

Yeah, of course. No one could predict what his head is thinking about?

[Key of Valor]

The place at the end of KH2 KH? I thought that was the realm of darkness?
I personally don't think KH looks anything like the realm of darkness.

[lionsbarrage]

well, u never see them escape KH, so assuming would have to be KH and that light guided them out of it at the end.

As for the names well Aqua is water, and Kairi is sea, is from what the info says.

[Key of Valor]

I personally think they left KH after defeating Xemnas and before reading the note.

[NeoRoxas]

Wasn't there something about crossroads at the end of rikus story in KH: CoM
when DiZ was standing at the crossroads? ill have to find a link to it
watch for the Edit.

EDIT:heres a link to it. http://youtube.com/watch?v=VokBYAtQxN0

[lionsbarrage]

yes we know, they were standing at the crossraods when ansem asked Riku, which road he would take.

[Reiyyan]

Guys this thing has been discussed in the KH3 THread ermm ima get the link hang on

[lionsbarrage]

this thread hasnt been talked about in over a month fro mthe previous post though.