Ven and Sora linked somehow

[kcore23]

Well some of you have seen the BBS pics and vids about Ven on Destiny Islands. Nomura said something about thia happening 10 maybe 15 years ago. What if Ven somehow became a heartless but it had no nobody, so somehow it combined with Sora when he was a young child or something. And when Sora became a heartless Roxas was created. But he looked exactly like Ven. Why?

Give your thoughts and comments please.

[lionsbarrage]

weve already been discussing this on another topic, However unless roxas did not have a strong heart he woulda created a nobody as well, if indeed fact he become a heartless.

[Xuan]

kcore23, I'm sorry to notify you that I will explain everything about their connection in the month of December and not now. Patience for someone clever like you please. At least, you're one of those few I really respected the superior abilites.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

everyone knows how i feel on this look on the Ven and Roxas thread
though ven and roxas connection creates his and soras connection(jus a thought) plus there names mean in sky and wind.

[kcore23]

kcore23, I'm sorry to notify you that I will explain everything about their connection in the month of December and not now. Patience for someone clever like you please. At least, you're one of those few I really respected the superior abilites.

aww... shucks you are making me blush. I still somehow think that Sora and Ven are connected not Ven and Roxas. I mean they are connected but differently. Like maybe Ven died and was reborn as Sora

[Key of Valor]

Well I think Roxas is one of the links between Ven and Sora
but I think the was a pre-existing link that was there before
Roxas was ever formed. What that link is I can not say for
sure. Perhaps they have the same heart. Maybe not. Can't
say for sure what their connection is.

[kcore23]

Another thing you said something about saying something in December. What is that all aboot?

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well ven and sora are connected and cen and roxas are obviously connection they do have like the same everything
so u cant say they don't have a connection

[kcore23]

But what if somehow Ven's heartless, nobody, or himself was put in Sora's body? That would explain why Sora's Nobody, Roxas, turned out to look like or is Ven.

[lionsbarrage]

that could be a possibility that is simple enough for the KH audience, but the ven dying and reborn as Sora made no sense since Sora is like 4 years old.

As far as xuan's december post, its just some theory hes trying to explain but never does, all he does is make horrible execuses, so well just have to wait on that.

[Xuan]

Like he said, it's a theory I'm trying to explain, and still finding information to explain the sentence, "Whenever the mind touches, they always comes back". Our pal here thinks that I'm a genius and a thief: I could explain everything in mere seconds, and have the ability to bypass a room with the windows and doors stuck with alarm systems in the middle of the night. Give me some ideas kcore23. That's the one part I still couldn't explain yet.

As for Ven and Sora, well, I guess it wouldn't harm anyone. Ven is the replication of a person from Sora's heart. Just like Terra and Kairi, but there's no way I could give specifics now. No info, end deal.

If you think nicely enough, it would fit in all sentences that Nomura so far provided. However, I don't think Sora, Riku and Kairi are humans AT FIRST. They are some kind of legendary power, or something like that. Something happened but no info, again end deal.

[lionsbarrage]

and yet he continues to come and do long posts on other stuff ALL the time?

Anyways w/e with that im done with it. Its really hard to see a sorta connection from ven and sora, when we really dont have much to go on.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

but the names the keyblade and roxas
oo and destiny island and they both know mickey....lol

[lionsbarrage]

im not sure they know mickey, but only cause of the elemental part, but what really makes them connected?

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well mickey and goofy is in the game maybe they'll jus show skits with them like on the beginning of kh

[lionsbarrage]

yeah i dont think donald or mickey really left t other worlds, but at the same time that raises a question. If the worlds wernt connected back then, how was mickey at sunset horizons, and at disney castle? and how is it possible to go to different worlds as well.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well maybe mickeys not a hero of the light maybe he is part of the dark realm...lol
maybe hes bad working for good or a double agent

[lionsbarrage]

still, we dont know that the corridors of darkness were even an ablity yet. unless the walls wernt even up yet, or something i dunno.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

u saw the cloak mickey rocked he's got darkness written on his forehead

[lionsbarrage]

what cloak?

[Ashen Lionheart]

Our pal here thinks that I'm a genius and a thief: I could explain everything in mere seconds, and have the ability to bypass a room with the windows and doors stuck with alarm systems in the middle of the night.

Well, you can write proper English, and compared to just about everyone else on this site, that makes you a genius. As for the thief part, hey, who knows?

But honestly, alarm systems are surprisingly easy to disable when they're off (i.e. during the daytime).

[Xuan]

I'm sixteen and too young to be a thief who could take down alarm system. As for my question, does anyone bother to help?

[kcore23]

But still though somehow Ven got into Sora's heart and maybe was reborn as Roxas

[Key of Valor]

Maybe but as far as we know Roxas doesn't have a heart.

[lionsbarrage]

yeah we only saw 2 hearts released from Sora, His own and Kairi's.

[Yuffie-Sora]

Come to think of it,at first i thought Ven was Roxas and Roxas was Ven! they are soo look alike! maybe,Ven somehow was created from the remnants of Sora's memories and a piece of Roxas' anatomy (?), at least that's what my cousin says...

[lionsbarrage]

Come to think of it,at first i thought Ven was Roxas and Roxas was Ven! they are soo look alike! maybe,Ven somehow was created from the remnants of Sora's memories and a piece of Roxas' anatomy (?), at least that's what my cousin says...


Thats makes no sense. How can Ven be created from Sora, when Sora is only4 or 5, and Roxas wasnt even made till 10 years later.

[guitarplayr442]

but wouldn't it be possible that way?

idk haha

[Ashen Lionheart]

Sora/Roxas may have been made from some piece of Ven, but there's no way it works the other way around, because of the timeline. Your cousin is a liar (but we knew that already).

And Xuan, age has absolutely nothing to do with being a thief. You know how to use a screwdriver, don't you? Just remove the batteries. I can understand if you have some ethical qualms about going behind your parents back, but just saying "I'm too young for this" is idiotic.

[tam_107]

Sora/Roxas may have been made from some piece of Ven, but there's no way it works the other way around, because of the timeline. Your cousin is a liar (but we knew that already).

there is no way sora could be mad by a pice of ven because sora is already a person during bbs.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

there is no way sora could be mad by a pice of ven because sora is already a person during bbs.

exactly...lol

[Xuan]

Suddenly I'm a thief all over. Watch it, you're close to stepping over the line. You would not want to step towards the light, Ashen.
Naturally, you guys wouldn't have understand cause I haven't explain it in my theory. I'll do that on December.

[lionsbarrage]

which u coulda done yet again, everytime u post.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

Suddenly I'm a thief all over. Watch it, you're close to stepping over the line. You would not want to step towards the light, Ashen.
Naturally, you guys wouldn't have understand cause I haven't explain it in my theory. I'll do that on December.

whats wit the december thing

[lionsbarrage]

he claims, hell post his thoery on somehing, when he has more time in december.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

oo wow.....:D

[tam_107]

he claims, hell post his thoery on somehing, when he has more time in december.

that is kind of stupid because he has time to argue,i mean how long could it be????

[lionsbarrage]

exactly, yet he makes horrid excuese, but oh well not like we can do anything, to prove what goes on in his mind.

[tam_107]

exactly, yet he makes horrid excuese, but oh well not like we can do anything, to prove what goes on in his mind.

does anyone actually care though????

[UltimaxWeapon]

does anyone actually care though????

seriously......

[VenFan]

All he's doing is giving us more of an excuse to not believe him and make him seem like a retard. He has SO much time to post so many long descriptions, but can't seem to post anything that only takes about five sentences? Oh my... okay, let's just drop it. If he wants to continue to ceaselessly amaze us with his stupidity, then let him.

[tam_107]

All he's doing is giving us more of an excuse to not believe him and make him seem like a retard. He has SO much time to post so many long descriptions, but can't seem to post anything that only takes about five sentences? Oh my... okay, let's just drop it. If he wants to continue to ceaselessly amaze us with his stupidity, then let him.

hey,dont pick on him he is the one who inspired me to post my thoery...in april.

[UltimaxWeapon]

hey,dont pick on him he is the one who inspired me to post my thoery...in april.

haha

[Key of Valor]

I agree, give Xaun a break.

He may be acting like an arogant know it all but
for all you know his theory could exist and could
in fact be brilliant.

Although I must admit, I too have doubts.
POST YOUR THEORY ALREADY, XAUN!

[Roxas[Nobody]]

All he's doing is giving us more of an excuse to not believe him and make him seem like a retard. He has SO much time to post so many long descriptions, but can't seem to post anything that only takes about five sentences? Oh my... okay, let's just drop it. If he wants to continue to ceaselessly amaze us with his stupidity, then let him.

haha ....wow

[UltimaxWeapon]

haha ....wow

agreed.....

[tam_107]

has this turned into the somebody make a joke about xuan and then we all agree thread????

[UltimaxWeapon]

has this turned into the somebody make a joke about xuan and then we all agree thread????

basically

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well im going to the ven and roxas thread it more on topic

[Key of Valor]

Lets get back on topic.

Here's a random thought.

Ven merged his heart with the Kingdom Key
and now he guides Sora on his journey as
his weapon.

[lionsbarrage]

is that just a random boast to keep the thread alive lol ?

[Key of Valor]

Yep but it's not too outragous.
It could be possible couldn't it.
(Trying to redirect attention
away from Xaun)

[lionsbarrage]

well, now that u mentio nits not that far off seeing as how Dark rikus keybladei n KH1 was made from the captive princesses hearts.

[vanilla bear]

dark riku had a purpose for doing that.. what could ven's have been?

[lionsbarrage]

i dunno, he was on the virge of death.

[kcore23]

or maybe he was being chased by someone or something and decided to go into hiding

[Xuan]

They're bombarding me with arguments and you're asking whether they care about my theories or not. Anyway, as I've said before arguments are a hell lot easier to produce than theories. Especially lengthy ones.

[kcore23]

yea try to keep arguing to a minimum

[tam_107]

They're bombarding me with arguments and you're asking whether they care about my theories or not. Anyway, as I've said before arguments are a hell lot easier to produce than theories. Especially lengthy ones.

He,Xuan buddy i got some advise...IF YOUR THEORY IS SO LONG AND HARD TO COME UP WITH,THEN JUST GET OFF OF THIS SITE,RESEARCH A LITTLE BIT,AND THEN WRITE IT AND POST.Then all the arguments will stop,because we wont have somebody being a mark.

[Key of Valor]

Wow, looks like we should rename this thread to Complain About Xaun. :D
Just kidding. There is no need to give Xaun a hard time. It would like
complaining about Nomura when it took him 3 years to release KH2.
We should be understanding and wait for Xaun to appearently
understand his own theory. :D he he another joke.

Anyway back on topic. Maybe Ven concealed his heart
from meeting the same fate of his allies by merging it
into his weapon of light that shielded away the darkness.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Wow, looks like we should rename this thread to Complain About Xaun. :D
Just kidding. There is no need to give Xaun a hard time. It would like
complaining about Nomura when it took him 3 years to release KH2.
We should be understanding and wait for Xaun to appearently
understand his own theory. :D he he another joke.

Anyway back on topic. Maybe Ven concealed his heart
from meeting the same fate of his allies by merging it
into his weapon of light that shielded away the darkness.

it actually took him 4 years to make kh2, anyway i dont quite get what u mean by conceling his heart with his allies. can u explain?

[Key of Valor]

Didn't see the BBS Trailer so I don't exactly know what happens.
Maybe Aqua and Terra were defeated an Ven was the only one left
so to save himself he merged his heart and his Keyblade.

If you're going to use an example from the BBS Trailer to
contridict me then please put a Spoiler sign above the post. :D

[UltimaxWeapon]

Didn't see the BBS Trailer so I don't exactly know what happens.
Maybe Aqua and Terra were defeated an Ven was the only one left
so to save himself he merged his heart and his Keyblade.

If you're going to use an example from the BBS Trailer to
contridict me then please put a Spoiler sign above the post. :D

so if ven merged himself with his keyblade then how would that make roxas? im confused

[Key of Valor]

Well it's hard to say exactly. The Ven merging his heart with his Keyblade is
just a random thought but if I had to make sense of it I would say that the
Keyblade is directly linked to Sora's heart which means that Ven and Sora
would be connected. When Sora lost his heart his Keyblade also disappeared
into darkness (Bet no one ever thought of that) So maybe Ven's heart connection
with his lost body allowed for Roxas to be born using Ven's body.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Well it's hard to say exactly. The Ven merging his heart with his Keyblade is
just a random thought but if I had to make sense of it I would say that the
Keyblade is directly linked to Sora's heart which means that Ven and Sora
would be connected. When Sora lost his heart his Keyblade also disappeared
into darkness (Bet no one ever thought of that) So maybe Ven's heart connection
with his lost body allowed for Roxas to be born using Ven's body.

so ur sayin since the keyblade also went into darkness thats how roxas was made? and when sora turned into a heartless roxas looks like ven because of the keyblade? hmm intresting thought

[lionsbarrage]

well then some theories u cannot reall ysay then, because if u havent seen the trailer u can make wild guesses, in any case SPOILERS

Ven was frozen he out of the 3 was on the verge of death. So the other to are still there in better condition.

[Key of Valor]

True they're just random guesses. You guys would know more than me.
Thanks for the Spoiler warning. :)

[lionsbarrage]

no prob. its just yeah, its hard to put s thoery without seeing the trailers.

[UltimaxWeapon]

no prob. its just yeah, its hard to put s thoery without seeing the trailers.

well i mean thats all we can do for cause none of us saw the trailer for BBS, unless one of us was at the TGS

[kcore23]

I guess someone else could continue this theory. See the rest of my leavings at the Introductions forum

[lionsbarrage]

well i mean thats all we can do for cause none of us saw the trailer for BBS, unless one of us was at the TGS

once again u misunderstand, were talking about the BBS trailer thats in KH2 and KH2FM.

[UltimaxWeapon]

once again u misunderstand, were talking about the BBS trailer thats in KH2 and KH2FM.

well there was an actual trailer of BBS

[Key of Valor]

Already? Interesting.
:( When will KH2:FM+Re:CoM
come out!!! :(

[UltimaxWeapon]

Already? Interesting.
:( When will KH2:FM+Re:CoM
come out!!! :(

yaa its was shown at the TGS but it wont be shown in america, and never

[lionsbarrage]

Already? Interesting.
:( When will KH2:FM+Re:CoM
come out!!! :(

yeah at the TGs they showed, clips and trailers to the games, and as time comes well get to see it, and as far as KH2FM we still dont know if it will come out not yet. but never say never.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

well there trailers for all three games there jus japanese

[lionsbarrage]

i wonder if theyll get leaked, before they actually wana show them.

[Xuan]

Ven's heart merging with his Keyblade is quite a good thought. But the Keyblade had broke, so I'm not so sure. Perhaps Ven had mergegd with his wristband?Terra had took Ven's wristband and placed it along with Sora? From what I've seen, that wristband is the only connection shown between Ven and Roxas, except for their body.

[ultimate king mickey]

Ven's heart merging with his Keyblade is quite a good thought. But the Keyblade had broke, so I'm not so sure. Perhaps Ven had mergegd with his wristband?Terra had took Ven's wristband and placed it along with Sora? From what I've seen, that wristband is the only connection shown between Ven and Roxas, except for their body.

a wristband sounds like a long stretch

[axel(bond of flame)]

well there trailers for all three games there jus japanese

theres trailers in japanese of kh:bbs
youtube????????

[Xuan]

lol, ever heard a ghost living on an umbrella? That sounded far fetched enough for me, but it's true. So maybe Ven's mind was on hidden in the wristband after they lost the battle, to protect him before all is lost.

[lionsbarrage]

i dont think tis cause of the wristband, especially the part where Sora had it, however we also dont get to see the rest of Ven underneath his armor.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

i dont think tis cause of the wristband, especially the part where Sora had it, however we also dont get to see the rest of Ven underneath his armor.

yea we do

[lionsbarrage]

where?

[Xuan]

I don't know anything, but if Ven's wristband could show up on Roxas ten years later, then it must be very important. Super important.

[vanilla bear]

were they wearing the same wristband? i hadn't noticed

[Key of Valor]

Well if Ven was waering it when he was frozen or whatever then it could
be explained by using the theory that Roxas to Ven's original body.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

were they wearing the same wristband? i hadn't noticed

check the ven and roxas thread on the first page

[vanilla bear]

ok so yeah they are wearing the exact same wristband... maybe there's something "mystical" surrounding it?

[Key of Valor]

Mystical wristband? Maybe but doubt. A random thought of mine suggests
it's something sentimental like the Oathkeeper was to Sora. Perhaps Aqua
gave it to Ven and that is how she is able to identify Roxas as part of Ven.
Just a random thought though since I have never seen more than three
images of BBS unless they were from the Sunset Horizen Trailer.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

i think the wristband jus symbolizes tht ven and roxas are part light and part dark
if you look at the band its checkered so is roxas outfit and his ring
roxas a black ring and a white ring

[Kingdom_Hearts_Lover]

How are Ven and sora linked ? and how was roxas created ? was he created by sora and ven. I don't know, guess well will have to find out in birth by sleep. :(

[Roxas[Nobody]]

How are Ven and sora linked ? and how was roxas created ? was he created by sora and ven. I don't know, guess well will have to find out in birth by sleep. :(

did you beat and understand kh2

[vanilla bear]

Mystical wristband? Maybe but doubt. A random thought of mine suggests
it's something sentimental like the Oathkeeper was to Sora. Perhaps Aqua
gave it to Ven and that is how she is able to identify Roxas as part of Ven.
Just a random thought though since I have never seen more than three
images of BBS unless they were from the Sunset Horizen Trailer.

how would aqua not be able to identify roxas as part of ven? they look the exact same

[lionsbarrage]

yeah that makes no sense

[Key of Valor]

Some people look similar. Perhaps seeing the wristband absolutely
shows that Roxas is related to Ven. I'll admit it's a random thought
and it does make very little sense.

[lionsbarrage]

yeah, but 2 people living in 2 different timelines, especially one who was never meant to exist.

[Key of Valor]

Thus the importance of the wristband identifying the two as the same.
I think that wristband will play a minor role in the plot.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Thus the importance of the wristband identifying the two as the same.
I think that wristband will play a minor role in the plot.

but its a good point out to tell their relationship

[Roxas[Nobody]]

true

[Key of Valor]

Oops. By minor I meant a minor major part.
I think will play a small major part in the plot.

[vanilla bear]

lol, a small major part..?

[lionsbarrage]

yeah a contracdited statement, but he had more than just the wrist band, his clothes were the same as well just a bit different color.

[Xuan]

... Everything living, whether Nobodies, Heartless, Humans, everything living, all are meant to exist because that was fate.

To say that a Nobody is never meant to exist... Then, what is life to them? They existed for a reason, they existed because of fate. Everything existed for a reason. This is one moral value taught in the game, haven't you realised it yet?

[vanilla bear]

no xuan why don't you just go ahead and fill us all in.. you seem to enjoy redundancy

[Xuan]

Forgive me, I was a regular story poster in a website until one year ago, my mum put away my comp on somewhere else.

[vanilla bear]

well just fill us in on whatever it is we're missing because i honestly don't know

[lionsbarrage]

... Everything living, whether Nobodies, Heartless, Humans, everything living, all are meant to exist because that was fate.

To say that a Nobody is never meant to exist... Then, what is life to them? They existed for a reason, they existed because of fate. Everything existed for a reason. This is one moral value taught in the game, haven't you realised it yet?

not everything has to have a reason for being, there really is no such thin as fate either, because that is essentially saying u were destined for so and so, it may have been planned out, but nothing is set in stone.

Nobodies were never mean to exist, they come from nowhere, they are nothing but a shadow of a person, yes a shadow tha can think plan and act, however they are virtually nothing more.

[D.A.]

you're right it's practically impossible for him to go into his body when he's only four years old

[queen garnet]

I have read theories about Ven being Soras father and Sora being Vens recarnesion.Well since Sora is already 4 years old we can forget about those right?I believe Vens heart or soul both maybe have ended up in Sora.Remember Ven asked to be erased we dont know what erase is in Kingdom Hearts world!!
(seems Ven is gonna have a bad ending)I cant think what else could it be exept that...but I wonder if Vens heart ended in Sora and then with his birth to Roxas ,which would explain the resemblance to Ven,why did Roaxs fused in Sora?with a heart he is real being right??

[lionsbarrage]

whcih is wrong, cause for one Nobodies dont have hearts, and 2 when Sora unlocked his heart in Kh1, only 2 hearts came out, his and Kairi's

[D.A.]

i like queen garnet's theory

[queen garnet]

thank you very much DA!!!Though I have to find a way to explain why Roxas ended up the way he did...but I am glad!