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War_of_Keyblades
12-11-2007, 12:05 AM
I watched history channel's mega-disasters and it talked about the oil was going to run out in 50 years at the rate of consumption. Many believe the signs are already here. High prices are causing lots of famine in other countries that have no money to buy oil. They said the were working on other fuels but it will not be as good as oil. Oil deposits are getting harder and harder to find. I predict the soon-to-be absence of oil will lead to war, famine, and ultimately the eradication of the human race.
Thoughts, Comments, and Questions are welcome!
The King of KH
12-11-2007, 01:46 AM
gas here is like $3.50............
Roxas[Nobody]
12-14-2007, 03:29 AM
gas really expensive in hawaii
OneWinged_Angel
12-26-2007, 09:54 PM
I saw that too, and honestly, they got it all wrong.
Oil is gonna go ALOT faster. And polititians are gonna sit on their butts and let the people of tommorow "Handle it", while Exxon Mobile pays them to deny the whole thing.
(Seriously, Oil companies pays the Government to "sit tight and shut up")
burntlettuce
12-27-2007, 01:33 AM
I saw that too, and honestly, they got it all wrong.
Oil is gonna go ALOT faster. And polititians are gonna sit on their butts and let the people of tommorow "Handle it", while Exxon Mobile pays them to deny the whole thing.
(Seriously, Oil companies pays the Government to "sit tight and shut up")
US alone has enough oil in its nation to last about 30 years without buying anymore.
The King of KH
12-28-2007, 07:03 PM
if anyone has seen I am Legend, when Will Smith is walking, if you focus on the background the regular gas says $6.63....................
organization_member_14
12-28-2007, 07:06 PM
the U.S. is to dependent on oil to stop using it
it looks like were gunna kill our selfs with oil
burntlettuce
12-29-2007, 03:10 PM
You guys don't seem to understand that there is probably enough oil out there to last about 300-400 years. Yes i agree that the US depends on oil to much and should make changes. But when the US masses refuse to help out then what are we going to do? We actually for a little while made really REALLY good cars(when it comes to gas millage ect...) but no one bought them they continued to buy the cars form other countries.
Reiyyan
12-29-2007, 03:22 PM
omg wtf USA hasnt made a good car since teh sixties
The King of KH
12-29-2007, 04:24 PM
no one will be able to afford gas sooner or later.................
Mature
12-29-2007, 04:47 PM
We do consume a lot of oil though, not just to fuel our cars but like, each factory that runs and produces the things we use uses oil, air planes, heating houses etc. I just think our society has become too accustomed to the use of oil and luxuries that use it. But we're all sort of guilty for that =), we just gotta learn how to accomodate, everyone buy fuel efficient cars! get hybrids lmao..
zeffie
12-30-2007, 02:56 AM
You guys don't seem to understand that there is probably enough oil out there to last about 300-400 years. Yes i agree that the US depends on oil to much and should make changes. But when the US masses refuse to help out then what are we going to do? We actually for a little while made really REALLY good cars(when it comes to gas millage ect...) but no one bought them they continued to buy the cars form other countries.
The United States is the largest oil consumer in the world, the problem is that our entire economy is based on oil. Without oil, our economy will fail. Everything from the military, to business, to personal use. All of it is based on oil. The United States needs to get off oil somehow, and alternate what the heart of our economy runs on, otherwise we are heading for huge problems in the future, never mind the issue of gas prices being higher. How about gas not being available?
The problem is that technology has not manifested a viable alternative to oil, and we are so hopelessly dependent on it, that it is next to near impossible to engineer an entire different commerce in which we utilize a revolutionary method.
Sure, we talk about hybrid vehicles, electric cars and the like. But when is it going to be in practical use? I'm sure we do have the technology available, that's not my issue. However my issue is changing the entire economy to function under different circumstances. Everything also boils down to money, and profits. If oil remains profitable, guess what? It's going to stay around until it no longer creates a profit, but then it may be too late.
Ophidian Dusk
12-30-2007, 03:44 AM
It's funny you talk about the American Economy and the "heart" of it...when, for all intents and purposes - the heart of it is a wreck. America has the highest debt in the world, the reason it isn't dead is because of the economy and trade, where countries like China are essentially the crutch for America's Economic Stability.
Sure oil may run out, but there are more alternatives emerging that I think can fill the void - for instance Biofuel, made using rapeseed oil; or hydrogen fuel cells. I don't see why people worry so much about prices and supply of goods to be honest...because, in terms of the economic model, things always go through slumps and sort themselves out eventually. i.e. 'The Business Cycle' where the economy goes through booms, peaks, troughs, recessions and depressions - but we digress.
Yes, people should watch the rate of consumption, maybe not so much for the fact that it will launch the prices into the stratosphere and cause a shortage of fuel, but rather for the fact that it will do even more damage to the environment (think what we've already destroyed over the last 50 years).
Anyways, If I keep going we'll have a thesis on our hands...so I'll just leave it at that for now.
H Leaf
12-30-2007, 03:48 AM
I watched history channel's mega-disasters and it talked about the oil was going to run out in 50 years at the rate of consumption. Many believe the signs are already here. High prices are causing lots of famine in other countries that have no money to buy oil. They said the were working on other fuels but it will not be as good as oil. Oil deposits are getting harder and harder to find. I predict the soon-to-be absence of oil will lead to war, famine, and ultimately the eradication of the human race.
Thoughts, Comments, and Questions are welcome!
Its no big deal, well it is but :) lol
did u know earth is going to explode in 1000years or something no joke
Mature
12-30-2007, 04:32 AM
We can all put a slight pause on oil problems if we all learn to carpool =)!
Ophidian Dusk
12-30-2007, 04:35 AM
We can all put a slight pause on oil problems if we all learn to carpool =)!
Or just cycle/walk to everyday places and use the car for longer journeys.
zeffie
12-30-2007, 04:41 AM
It's funny you talk about the American Economy and the "heart" of it...when, for all intents and purposes - the heart of it is a wreck.
I didn't find my post amusing, however in debt the economy may be, that is also part of the problem that oil also falls in line with. My point was not about the issue of our debt, but the issue of how dependable we are on oil, and how business cannot function without it. Neither can anything else presently at the time.
dude the us isnt using their oil
we are using every one elses
and once they run out we will use ours and not share
i hate this but its true
but hopefully there will be a law that will outlaw oil driven cars
or something
but bush aint doing a very good job at it
he recently signed a bill on oil
but ok the US allows cars with a very low gas mileage go around and waist gas
but in other countrys like the ones in europe are derasticly diff
they had very very high gas milage
we are the main problem
the US will always will be
The King of KH
01-05-2008, 01:13 AM
dude the us isnt using their oil
we are using every one elses
and once they run out we will use ours and not share
i hate this but its true
but hopefully there will be a law that will outlaw oil driven cars
or something
but bush aint doing a very good job at it
he recently signed a bill on oil
but ok the US allows cars with a very low gas mileage go around and waist gas
but in other countrys like the ones in europe are derasticly diff
they had very very high gas milage
we are the main problem
the US will always will be
yeah cars waist a lot of gas. in venezuela u can get a full tank on just one dollar. thats really crazy...........
Riku-Sora
01-05-2008, 06:05 AM
I believe that we will have an alternate plan already in the works when oil runs out.
Hybrid cars is just the start of it. Maybe I should do some more research on this.
xaldin's_my_nobody
01-05-2008, 06:16 AM
the thing is we all just have to look at the positives for this... i got nothin, but there will be less drive by shooting if u think about it
Mystlord
01-05-2008, 11:40 AM
P-P-Positives??? Where are the positives in a time like this??? Oil is up to $100 a barrel! It's one of the reasons that our economy is crashing like a crashing plane (besides the housing market, the other devil). Anyway, the US thrives on oil. We can't live without it. The cost of oil has come to the point where people have to plan on how much they can spend on oil without seriously damaging their income.
The fact is that the cost of oil is going to spiral upward, and unless alternative energy is found fast, we're all going to be screwed. Oh and alternative energy oh GOD!
We have no viable source. This is a fact. Methanol (I believe that's what they're using) doesn't work with all engines, it can clog up the engine. Solar power is completely inefficient, since it has a horrible conversion rate, and the size of the panel needed would be outrageous. Electrical power isn't effective, since, well, it just isn't. And the big, giant, horrible beast of them all is hydrogen fuel cells. These cells are basically batteries on steroids. Regardless, they STILL PRODUCE ELECTRICITY. About 50% of the energy inside the reactant goes to heat, and further heat is released from the shift to the energy to move the stupid car. Not to mention that these batteries need reactant replacements.
I haven't even started on what I think about oil, but I find that when typing too much, people's eyes tend to glaze over. So I'll remark on the previous posts:
It's funny you talk about the American Economy and the "heart" of it...when, for all intents and purposes - the heart of it is a wreck. America has the highest debt in the world, the reason it isn't dead is because of the economy and trade, where countries like China are essentially the crouch for America's Economic Stability.
Sure oil may run out, but there are more alternatives emerging that I think can fill the void - for instance Biofuel, made using rapeseed oil; or hydrogen fuel cells. I don't see why people worry so much about prices and supply of goods to be honest...because, in terms of the economic model, things always go through slumps and sort themselves out eventually. i.e. 'The Business Cycle' where the economy goes through booms, peaks, troughs, recessions and depressions - but we digress.
Yes, people should watch the rate of consumption, maybe not so much for the fact that it will launch the prices into the stratosphere and cause a shortage of fuel, but rather for the fact that it will do even more damage to the environment (think what we've already destroyed over the last 50 years).
American debt... Argh. 48 trillion. I want to smash the US government. There's a reason why the Dow Jones falls in increments on 200 points. Federal interest rate cuts, the spending on the war (ANOTHER ANNOYANCE), and much more just hurts our economy.
Oh China... Frankly, we're only importing and not exporting. I can't even remember what the trade deficit is now, but it certainly must be HUGE. And not only that, but now we have American consumers scared to death to buy the stuff from China because of the lead thing. Stopping before I go off course...
Economy IS NOT MAGIC! Economy does not 'sort itself out'. There's a reason why the English National Bank took off while the French National Bank became a toilet back in the 18th century. I already ranted on alternatives previously, but OIL WILL NEVER RUN OUT. The problem is that we're using oil more than it's being produced. The economy is really going to crash unless something is done.
Rate of consumption. Yet another annoyance. There's a reason why we have a 60% obesity rate. We get in the car to go like, half a mile. I mean seriously, we don't need this. We don't carpool. We have traffic jams everyday. We HAVE NO GOOD PUBLIC TRANSPORT. Big one right there.
Oil doesn't really do THAT much to the environment. Believe it or not, our need to eat beef does more 'damage' to the environment than oil consumption does. Cows produce methane, which causes global warming, which means that photorespiration prevails, which means oh my God our environment is screwed because we already cut down all our forests. OOOOOPS.
I can't even write anymore on this topic. I'm stopping right here.
burntlettuce
01-07-2008, 11:40 PM
LOL 48 trillion, it has barally reached 10 trillion. BTW most major countries have very high debts. Your right not as high as ours but still high enough.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2079rank.html
As for the Import/Exported you must not know that we are the worlds largest supplier of Wheat in the World, but that has nothing to do with Oil atm.
Yes i agree with you a 100% about our Oil Consumption Mystlord, but this thread doesn't intrest me much so i am just going to end it at that. LOL
Mystlord
01-08-2008, 02:09 AM
LOL 48 trillion, it has barally reached 10 trillion. BTW most major countries have very high debts. Your right not as high as ours but still high enough.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2079rank.html
As for the Import/Exported you must not know that we are the worlds largest supplier of Wheat in the World, but that has nothing to do with Oil atm.
Yes i agree with you a 100% about our Oil Consumption Mystlord, but this thread doesn't intrest me much so i am just going to end it at that. LOL
Haha... I'm sorry, but 10 trillion is only for outsourcing debts. Or it can also be considered FEDERAL debt. What we're talking about here is the AMERICAN economy. 48 trillion is how much America owes in total: from household, business, federal. This number includes companies and defaults on mortgages.
Sure, the federal credit debt limit is at around 10 trillion right now, but how much does all of America owe? BAM!
Let's face it, wheat doesn't compare to oil in today's society. We are only the best because we have both the land, technology, and federal help to the farmers that farm it.
We use, although not a precise number, 15.23 million barrels of oil a day. The world consumes about 80 million barrels of oil a day.
For a country that constitutes only 300 million of a 6 billion population, that's a large percentage.
burntlettuce
01-08-2008, 10:59 PM
OO i agree i just thought you had a type-o lol. I do find it bad how we Americans can't live without oil. I agree this will become a problem, but not to much of a bad one, at least not any time soon, oil becoming very scarce is still aways off, but its like Global Warming, something has to be done about it.
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