Abortion

[burntlettuce]

What are your opinions on it.

I believe it is morally wrong. I mean how can you even think about having an abortion. When you have one you are taking a human life, how can you even consider that.

Most people think that sex is for personal and pleasure, however you must remember that sex is first and for most to create life. That is why ever other mammal has it. So you you make the mistake to have sex to soon and get pregnant then why do you have the right to take a life? You don't just have the baby and give it up to adoption. There are thousands of couples that want to have children, so why can't you get over self and help someone else fulfill there dreams and give them a child?

However i am not totally closed minded. I do believe in abortion AND only if there is a clear and present danger to the mother's life and our the baby's.

[robbie makin love]

the reason people have abortions is because having children at the wrong time is life ruining
kids cost £250,000 over the time of 18 years
if ur not a person of good responsibility or in finacial safety ur goin to be ruined
and ever after the child has left problems still come
and these problems rub off on the child
would u want them to experiacne that?
and its these children that are brought into bad familys that tend to become criminals tho it can still work both ways (and that comes from a generalization of what ive seen)
plus it is not essentially taking a life
they havnt lived in the world, they havnt had an effect on anything they havnt done things that living things do
their dissapeance would mean nothing
and its possible that they dont even feel pain
is taking a life that hanst really done anything that u would do in life still taking a life
and the mother is responsible for them anyway
and about reasons for having sex
humans are alot different to the rest of the worlds animals
for some of procreation which seems to be humans main drive, we've evolved "pleasure" from having sex
so having sex for the sake of having babies is way, way, WAY in the past
hence the term "making love"
plus wat if a woman is raped and is made pregnant from it
should she have to carry and care for the child of someone who attacked her?
i dont think so
my opnion is that it is somthin that is sometimes needed
people shouldnt have to go through these things because of a mistake
and it should never be called taking a life if they havnt technically lived or even feel pain

[Roxas[Nobody]]

abortion is murder basically
abortion i think is against god
and i also think that pregantence pills are againist god too

[robbie makin love]

abortion is murder basically
abortion i think is against god
and i also think that pregantence pills are againist god too

youve gotta think to yourself what is the deifnition of murder
its the taking of life
if somthings technically not even lived does that count as taking a life or indeed murder
but of course if its because of a religious then u'll always be against
religion has been against abortion for a long time and are yet to realize that things have changed and people just dont listen to them anymore
saying abortion is wrong because its against god just wont get u anywhere anymore

[burntlettuce]

So you are saying that killing a fetus that has the potentail to become great life isn't murder? Imagine if you were aborted guess what you wouldn't be here right now.

Like i said why have an aborting, just put the baby up for adoption, there are thousand's of family's that would love to have children but can't. Don't kill something just to fix your mistakes.

The rape issue now that is tricky. If a women were raped i say leave it up to the women. Just because that wasn't her fault.

[CAP]

i believe abortion is wrong. well my girlfriend convinced me to believe this.

becuase she told me that if a girl was pregnant and got hit in a car wreck and the baby died the person that hit her would be fined with man slaughter. so why would that be wrong and abortion be right.

[robbie makin love]

So you are saying that killing a fetus that has the potentail to become great life isn't murder? Imagine if you were aborted guess what you wouldn't be here right now.

Like i said why have an aborting, just put the baby up for adoption, there are thousand's of family's that would love to have children but can't. Don't kill something just to fix your mistakes.

The rape issue now that is tricky. If a women were raped i say leave it up to the women. Just because that wasn't her fault.

there are alot of families wanting children but cant have them
problem is there isnt enough
hence why orphanedges are filling up
and if a fetus is killed its brain isnt developed enough to even know its been killed
if a fetus is killed as a result of an abortion no bad would come out of it
it'd be a great relief to whoever was having the abortion and thats about it
like i said
how can it be murder if they havnt technically lived and in a way not really dying
they dont feel pain and are losing somthing they havnt even experianced
i think abortion should be allowed and should be completely about choice
if u think its wrong dont do it
just accept that children arnt for everyone
this stereotype that kids are the best thing that can happen to a person is very untrue
why tie urself down with responsiblity when u can do so much with ur life
wen u think about it that way having kids would be awful
and if u make a mistake wat else can u do
as long as there are people like that abortion aint goin nowhere

[Roxas[Nobody]]

youve gotta think to yourself what is the deifnition of murder
its the taking of life
if somthings technically not even lived does that count as taking a life or indeed murder
but of course if its because of a religious then u'll always be against
religion has been against abortion for a long time and are yet to realize that things have changed and people just dont listen to them anymore
saying abortion is wrong because its against god just wont get u anywhere anymore

well babies that are still in the mother are alive they'll just no developed
and im agnostic/christian. Meaning that out of all the religions i would chose christianty

[xsxctiggax]

So you are saying that killing a fetus that has the potentail to become great life isn't murder? Imagine if you were aborted guess what you wouldn't be here right now.

Like i said why have an aborting, just put the baby up for adoption, there are thousand's of family's that would love to have children but can't. Don't kill something just to fix your mistakes.

The rape issue now that is tricky. If a women were raped i say leave it up to the women. Just because that wasn't her fault.

Yesh but did you now a fetus isnt really ALIVE until the heart beats which is...i cant remember how many weeks but in a sense you are not killing a human that isnt even alive...

Adoption is a problem...what if the child wants to find its real mum its a painful thing for a child to find out and then the one thing that the child ask is
'Why did you leave me?'
Its easier to just abort...

[robbie makin love]

well babies that are still in the mother are alive they'll just no developed
and im agnostic/christian. Meaning that out of all the religions i would chose christianty

its obvious why ur agaisnt abortion then
ur slightly christian
its very much towards the end of pregnancy that a baby in the womb can be considered alive
and anyone having an abortion is a bit foolish for waiting that long
i would agree that killing a baby that developed is wrong
at that point they can deffinatly feel pain and have a chance of life and there is life being lost
but before that when a fetus cant feel pain or really think or do things that living things do, i still think its alright cus the only people who get hurt from that are the people agaisnt abortion
the fetus wont even know its died just as it didnt know it was alive so how can there be an issue
i think the real reason christians have a problem with abortion is because people keep asking them "what would happen to a fetus when it went to heaven?"
it hasnt really lived so it hasnt sinned or done any good deeds
so what would happen to it
this question cannot be answered and could ack as yet another flaw in the bible
so if they get rid of abortion, they get rid of this flaw
its a good explantion as to why they are so agaisnt abortion when the free thinking world isnt

[Shadow's Destiny 42]

What are your opinions on it.

I believe it is morally wrong. I mean how can you even think about having an abortion. When you have one you are taking a human life, how can you even consider that.

Most people think that sex is for personal and pleasure, however you must remember that sex is first and for most to create life. That is why ever other mammal has it. So you you make the mistake to have sex to soon and get pregnant then why do you have the right to take a life? You don't just have the baby and give it up to adoption. There are thousands of couples that want to have children, so why can't you get over self and help someone else fulfill there dreams and give them a child?

However i am not totally closed minded. I do believe in abortion AND only if there is a clear and present danger to the mother's life and our the baby's.

What if you are a 11 or 12-year-old girl who got raped by her uncle or some stranger?
How could you even put some helpless child go through that?
It's not her fault, it's whoever raped her.

I think that human's have a choice, and if they don't want the baby, they are smart enough to use protection.
And it's not like the 'baby' if you can even call it that, is alive, so it can't make it's own choice.
It is not even mostly developed by the time they would take it out.
And otherwise, they shouldn't even be having sex.

So you are saying that killing a fetus that has the potentail to become great life isn't murder? Imagine if you were aborted guess what you wouldn't be here right now.

Like i said why have an aborting, just put the baby up for adoption, there are thousand's of family's that would love to have children but can't. Don't kill something just to fix your mistakes.

Well, obviously the person wasn't aborted, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Because it is fate.
It is fate that mother chooses to have an abortion or not.
Because it doesn't start living for weeks into the marriage.
You can't say, 'What if you were aborted?' because obviously, he wasn't, so he can't think of how it would be.
No one can.
Because the fetus isn't alive.
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[ultimate king mickey]

Abortion is as bad as killing a child or adult. its still killing a human life. abortion should be banned and anyone that has an abortion should be jailed for life or killed

[Shadow's Destiny 42]

Abortion is as bad as killing a child or adult. its still killing a human life. abortion should be banned and anyone that has an abortion should be jailed for life or killed

It's not alive.
So it is not the same as killing a child or an adult.
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And it shouldn't be banned, because THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of families will be living in poverty because they couldn't abort.
So torturing a child is even worse than killing it.
No child should have to live being tortured, starved, etc. because their family couldn't aford anything.

[burntlettuce]

Like i said the rape issue is a tricky issue. I would leave that up to the person, because your right it is not there fault.

I am just saying i find it horrible that someone who had sex to early and gets pregnant then has an Abortion because of her mistake! I mean how does that even sound right you are taking, possible GREAT Human life. And yes form any where form three months on the fetus is actually living, small brain, heart ect...

[Shadow's Destiny 42]

Like i said the rape issue is a tricky issue. I would leave that up to the person, because your right it is not there fault.

I am just saying i find it horrible that someone who had sex to early and gets pregnant then has an Abortion because of her mistake! I mean how does that even sound right you are taking, possible GREAT Human life. And yes form any where form three months on the fetus is actually living, small brain, heart ect...

Sex isn't JUST for making a life.
Sex is for pleasure and to relieve stress.

People do it for other reasons than just to get pregnant.
And it's not like people get pregnant EVERY time they don't use protection.
And plus, death is more of a miracle than life, anyway.

[burntlettuce]

Sex isn't JUST for making a life.
Sex is for pleasure and to relieve stress.

People do it for other reasons than just to get pregnant.
And it's not like people get pregnant EVERY time they don't use protection.
And plus, death is more of a miracle than life, anyway.

Your right today sex is for pleasure and it shouldn't be. I think if you have sex it should never be just for pleasure, I truly believe that Sex is either when a man and women have finally falling in love and want to share that love with one another or to for making life(this is the real reason why we need it). As for Relieving Stress? Are you kidding me there are THOUSANDS of other things to do then sex to relieve stress, if this is a reason to have sex, risk a pregnancy when your clearly not ready, then man that is just sad.

And your right not everyone does get pregnant, but why take that risk. I mean every SINGLE time you do have sex your are taking that risk. Its like if you play Russian Rullet you are taking that risk, you don't way to die but you might, and there are no second chances.

[Shadow's Destiny 42]

Your right today sex is for pleasure and it shouldn't be. I think if you have sex it should never be just for pleasure, I truly believe that Sex is either when a man and women have finally falling in love and want to share that love with one another or to for making life(this is the real reason why we need it). As for Relieving Stress? Are you kidding me there are THOUSANDS of other things to do then sex to relieve stress, if this is a reason to have sex, risk a pregnancy when your clearly not ready, then man that is just sad.

And your right not everyone does get pregnant, but why take that risk. I mean every SINGLE time you do have sex your are taking that risk. Its like if you play Russian Rullet you are taking that risk, you don't way to die but you might, and there are no second chances.

Okay, yes there are other ways to relieve stress.
But that is just how some people do it.

I believe that ever LIVING, BREATHING HUMAN deserves a choice.
If they accidently got pregnant, and they think that it would cause to much stress, money, or you think that you cannot take care of a baby, then just get it aborted, since most times, abortion happens before it is really alive.

[Number13Roxas]

First of all the baby IS living,it has a soul from the second it gets fertilized,and it IS murder.It doesn't matter if the body has developed yet the baby is still living.These babies have every right to live,its NOT up to the mother to decide if she can kill someone or not,what if your mother wanted to kill you right now,would she have the right,absolutly not,the same goes for unborn babies.There is a difference between non-born, and non-living.

[zeffie]

First of all the baby IS living,it has a soul from the second it gets fertilized,and it IS murder.It doesn't matter if the body has developed yet the baby is still living.These babies have every right to live,its NOT up to the mother to decide if she can kill someone or not,what if your mother wanted to kill you right now,would she have the right,absolutly not,the same goes for unborn babies.There is a difference between non-born, and non-living.

I would agree, the level of developement does not necessitate a lack of life. Neither does a lack of self-awareness necessitate a lack of life. Circumstances in which the baby is conceived does not directly leave justification for another action that would be argued as murder.

[Number13Roxas]

I would agree, the level of developement does not necessitate a lack of life. Neither does a lack of self-awareness necessitate a lack of life. Circumstances in which the baby is conceived does not directly leave justification for another action that would be argued as murder.

Thank you for agreeing,a lot of people on here are usually against everything i say.

[robbie makin love]

to tell u the truth i dont think the subject of whether its alive or not really matters
people have abortions for good reasons
either its too early
they dont want to have kids
the list goes on
and is it right to bring a baby into a world where its parents dont even want it
if they do the parents will probably end up hating the poor child
and if u think people should only have sex for procreation then u r foolish foolish foolish
its way more then that
i wont go into details
but i will say its great for couples in love and it is natural
and contraception isnt 100% even when doubled
at the end of the day people need to live thier lives and if they dont want to involve unwanted life in it they have all the right to it
u shouldnt have to bring urself down because of something you didnt want and somthing that spends 18 years depending on you
if abortion was made illegal the amount of underage pregnancies would shoot up
and here in england its already too high
people surviving on benefits would go up aswell
wen u add up all the pros and cons abortion does more good then bad
the baby isnt developed enough to feel pain or know its alive or know its even being killed
and saying that it has a soul is pointless as it dosnt even know it has that either
the death in abortion is hardly death
isnt it better to do that then make it go through a life of misery
its like saying would u rather die fast and hard or slow and painfully
saying they could grow up to be somthing amasing is false belief when u have parents that dont want u
and it will never be made illegal it'd cause more trouble than its worth

[Naminette]

Having an abortion is considered murder to me. Who would kill their unborn child?! If you wanted to make out without knowing the consequences, tough. Create a life, don't destroy one.

[The King of KH]

Having an abortion is considered murder to me. Who would kill their unborn child?! If you wanted to make out without knowing the consequences, tough. Create a life, don't destroy one.

yeah its sad..............

[robbie makin love]

Having an abortion is considered murder to me. Who would kill their unborn child?! If you wanted to make out without knowing the consequences, tough. Create a life, don't destroy one.

doing things without knowing the consequences is human nature
hence why humans create things like abortion so they dont have too deal with consequences
horribly? yes
typical to the world we live in? yes

like i said
think of the greater good
not goin through with an abortion is bad for the mother and the child
worth it?
we all know wat the answer is

[Key of Valor]

Human Beings

A species which has claimed superiority
over all living things in their world.

Species

Unique organisms distinguished and
determined by DNA

DNA

Unique instructions used in developement
and functioning of all living organisms. To
have unique DNA is to be an individual
organism with individual life.

Fetus

Devoloping organism within its biological
creater. possesses its own unique DNA
and thus also possesses its own unique life.

Life

If one exists then they're entitled to it.

What right does one's biological creater
have to it take away. To justify such is to
say that life is controled by whomever
can take it.

Your life is of value because you can live.
To have life is not to live. To live is to be
allowed to have life.

Death

All who have life shall meet this fate.

There is no escape. To justify dying
one must live a life worth living. If
someone doesn't allow you to live
then you meet an unjust death


Murder

To take a life that is not your own.
To deny one the right to life by giving
one death.

Abortion

A form of murder. Nothing more.

[Number13Roxas]

doing things without knowing the consequences is human nature
hence why humans create things like abortion so they dont have too deal with consequences
horribly? yes
typical to the world we live in? yes

like i said
think of the greater good
not goin through with an abortion is bad for the mother and the child
worth it?
we all know wat the answer is

Yes i know exatly what the answer is,NO. It doesn't matter if the baby can't feel whats happening,that makes it worse,if you couldn't feel pain would that make it right to kill you?Again,NO. NO ONE has the right to take a life. If a mother accidently got pregnant thats her fault,now she has to deal with it,she has no right to kill the baby."well what if the baby would live a horrible life because the mom can't care for it" you say.1. if she can't care for it should should never have had sex.2. wouldn't you rather be in the world and see what its like and then try to make things better than never have a chance at all? Thats what happens,the baby never even gets a chance,its so sad.its like taking a newborn baby then killing it.

[Key of Valor]

I agree, if you participate in sexual actions then you should
be prepared to participate in human reproduction as well.

Like I said, To justify Abortion is to say that life is controled
by whomever can take it. No sane person believes in that.

Some justify abortion by it being bad for the mother.

Any difficulties the mother faces were brought upon herself
(except for rape victims)

Abortion is also justified because the child's life will be bad
if allowed to live.

How is living bad for the child. Surely, never having a chance
to live is worse than most any life that child could have.

How would you feel if you never got your
chance lived in the beautiful world.

The only time I can see Abortion justifiable is when the child's life is
given up to save another's life and even then it seems partly wrong.

[Mudson]

I think there is one situation in which abortion is liable and that is when it puts the life of the mother at risk.
Every other time its completely wrong, even if the lifestyle won't be that great adoption is an option

[robbie makin love]

ok im beat
it really isnt justifiable
like i said earlier
we dont live in a world that kind
whats more important tends to make it in this world
if u can make things better for such a small loss that only people who split ends with ethics can actually give any evidence to it actually being a loss in the first place
people are still going to do it
its common sense not to do a bad thing when u have the choice
there are millions of un-ethical things in the world happening every day but no one takes notice
with the way the world is abortion isnt going to be any different
its not an excuse
and saying that if the mother is too young to have children you should say tough she should face the consequences
then ur just being mean
put urself in their position
no one should have to go through somthing they dont have too
the only freedom we have in life is choice
so use it
here in england there are lots of mothers who are too young and trust me its not a pretty sight
i admit it is unfair and contradicts our justice system
but u gotta be a bit more open minded and think of the long term effects
thats what the law is thinking and abortion remains legal
the world is only beautiful when ur born into the right way
single mothers who are much too young and are barely surviving off benefits are not beautiful
and if not that children get abandoned and that is far from beautiful
when u think about the greater good, we need it
then again this is coming from an english point of view
i dont know what its like in america or where ever ur from
america is still very much ruled by christanity and their only against it cus of the bible
and maybe the problems arnt as bad as they are here
so it may be wrong
but from an english point of view we should do what we evolved to do
survive no matter what

[Key of Valor]

The world isn't perfect and much of it embraces poor ideals.
But things today are better than before and someday will be
better as long as people keep to what they believe is right.
The world needs to work together to find the right answers.

And don't confuse instinct with selfishness because animals
don't believe in survival at the cost of their offspring. It's called
maternal instince and it directs animals to do what ever they
can for the continuation of the next generation of the species.

Truly instinct does not relate to an organism individually but to
the whole species. The instinctive order being to Continue as
a Species, to Continue as a Whole. To give up a child for the
sake of one's self cannot be justified by instinctive. In fact it
is a product of Instinct's direct opposite, Free Will. And in Free
Will there exists right and wrong.

[robbie makin love]

The world isn't perfect and much of it embraces poor ideals.
But things today are better than before and someday will be
better as long as people keep to what they believe is right.
The world needs to work together to find the right answers.

And don't confuse instinct with selfishness because animals
don't believe in survival at the cost of their offspring. It's called
maternal instince and it directs animals to do what ever they
can for the continuation of the next generation of the species.

Truly instinct does not relate to an organism individually but to
the whole species. The instinctive order being to Continue as
a Species, to Continue as a Whole. To give up a child for the
sake of one's self cannot be justified by instinctive. In fact it
is a product of Instinct's direct opposite, Free Will. And in Free
Will there exists right and wrong.


it is techincally instinct warped and twisted by our intelligance and free will
its called selfishness
it'll always be there and things go wrong wen we dont have it
hence why things like abortion will always be there and no one will want to change it
and they shouldnt really
if u believe in it surly u can do it
if u dont believe in it dont do it
its ur life thats gonna get awfully boring

[Tatakau Monotachi]

Abortion is horrible. Killing unborn babies like that-- messed up. I say they should keep the baby as a punishment. Then, they'll think twice before they do that kinda stuff.

[OneWinged_Angel]

Abortion is Evil, no matter what.
Also, watch "Juno" When it comes out. That's a Good Pro-life movie.

[Shadow's Destiny 42]

Think about this:

What if the government bans abortion.
Then some woman gets pregnant, but she is really poor.
So the baby is born in poverty.
Then, the baby ends up dying anyway because of malnurishment, because the family was so poor, they couldn't afford food.

There are A LOT of cases like this...
This is a good reason why abortion is a kindof good thing...
It costs a lot of money to take care of a baby.
And a lot of families aren't able to afford all that stuff...
So they decide to spend less money on getting an abortion.

[burntlettuce]

Its called adoption...

[Shadow's Destiny 42]

Its called adoption...

Yup.
Then they have to move from home to home...
Nobody wanting them...
So they end up killing themselves or dieing because the foster home isn't able to put up with them.
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[Number13Roxas]

Yup.
Then they have to move from home to home...
Nobody wanting them...
So they end up killing themselves or dieing because the foster home isn't able to put up with them.
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Or they wait in an Orphanage with nothing to do with foster parents untill a nice family comes and adopts them with love.Adoption doesn't always turn out bad,in fact it works out well for a lot of people.Besides im SURE the kid would much rather go through an adoption that not have the chance to live at all.

[zeffie]

Yup.
Then they have to move from home to home...
Nobody wanting them...
So they end up killing themselves or dieing because the foster home isn't able to put up with them.
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That is not conclusive enough to support abortion. Neither is it always the case, simply your selective discretion on the matter. Also this is hasty generalization, because you are not drawing a conclusion from the entire transparent event of an adopted child and the life they develope into.

[vanilla bear]

you can't call abortion plain and simple "evil".. that's just an opinion.. i'm not really a fan of abortion, but the fetus is still part of the woman's body and she has the right to do what she wants with her body, even if that includes killing the child... some people say tattoos and piercings are evil but i'm not getting rid of mine.. it is my body

[robbie makin love]

Or they wait in an Orphanage with nothing to do with foster parents untill a nice family comes and adopts them with love.Adoption doesn't always turn out bad,in fact it works out well for a lot of people.Besides im SURE the kid would much rather go through an adoption that not have the chance to live at all.

children rarely get taken out of orphaneges
people who adopt tend to take over the childs life at birth
any other time then that and they probably arnt interested
and even then their arnt enough adoptive parents out there to make sure every child has parents if abortion was made illegal
there'd be too many un-wanted children
this would more than likely lead to abandonment
hence why its best to stop life painlessly then make them suffer the harsh reality of not being wanted

[Key of Valor]

Not having an abortion could be horrible for the child's life but
but I guess you have point, a life can't be horrible if not given
the chance to exist. (TIS A POOR POINT TO MAKE)


Should we just say its okay to kill a fetus if its wrong. If so then
people will begin to think it's okay which means it will be right.

When a child does something bad is it a sin? No because the
child didn't know any better even though the act was wrong.
Society should know better and learn what is truly right cause
if not then that is truly wrong.

What of the child's life. Many people live lives of extreme unhappiness
but they have their chance to be happy now and again. Are you saying
feeling happy sometimes is worse then never feeling anything at all?

As also said in previous posts by others, adoption is not always a sentence
to a miserable life.

[robbie makin love]

Not having an abortion could be horrible for the child's life but
but I guess you have point, a life can't be horrible if not given
the chance to exist. (TIS A POOR POINT TO MAKE)


Should we just say its okay to kill a fetus if its wrong. If so then
people will begin to think it's okay which means it will be right.

When a child does something bad is it a sin? No because the
child didn't know any better even though the act was wrong.
Society should know better and learn what is truly right cause
if not then that is truly wrong.

What of the child's life. Many people live lives of extreme unhappiness
but they have their chance to be happy now and again. Are you saying
feeling happy sometimes is worse then never feeling anything at all?

As also said in previous posts by others, adoption is not always a sentence
to a miserable life.

cant be a poor point if its true and holds such relevance
surly its better to feel nothing then go through a life of suffering
truly right and wrong isnt an issue
the reason people have abortions is for the greater good and in modern times that is right
only religion has ever said its wrong
adoption isnt a happy proceedure
there always comes a time when the child realises its not part of the family its in
then it has to come to terms with the fact its real parents never wanted them
and belonging to a family gives us a sense of sercurity and belonging
no one should grow up not feeling that
cus they'll probably grow up to be bad people

[The King of KH]

if u know u dont want a baby whats the point of doing it with no protection?............

[VenFan]

Omar speaks the truth!!

[The King of KH]

Omar speaks the truth!!

lol thanks ...... if u dont want a baby use some protection, at least..............

[robbie makin love]

lol thanks ...... if u dont want a baby use some protection, at least..............

some people are just stupid
the warning signs are everywhere but they just ignore it
but like the old saying goes:
"there are 2 things in this universe that are infinite:
the univierse and human stupidity, tho im not sure about the first one"

there will always be people stupid enough and convinced not to use protection
they get deluded that it can dampen the fun of sex
which is only really true if u believe it

[The King of KH]

ppl are stupid these days..............

[robbie makin love]

ppl are stupid these days..............

people r stupid in general
its not just in these times its bin goin on for about as long as our known history

[The King of KH]

i feel bad for the babys who die...............

[burntlettuce]

if u know u dont want a baby whats the point of doing it with no protection?............

Because sometimes that doesn't work, condoms only work 97% of the time, which is still high but there is the chance of it not working.

I still think its wrong, i just can't see why anyone would want to take away another humans life, just my opinion.

[Mystlord]

I believe in abortion. Despite the ethical arguments that people use to argue against it, I don't think they hold merit. If the baby is killed painlessly, before he/she has the chance to even feel pain, then it is at the very least, a good thing as opposed to dying painfully. For couples that don't want babies, the first thing they are going to do is to drop the baby in an orphanage. The point of making life is to nurture and protect it, not to discard it. Those parents who care nothing of their children should get an abortion. In giving their children to an orphanage, then they are throwing away a life.
If they keep the child, then they are going to be very abusive or just negligent towards him/her. Then, the child will only know the horrors of life. The horrors of being born. No attention from the parents, complete negligence, possibly even starvation. Such an existence is worse than death, especially one that, if you're Christian, the baby will go straight to heaven.

[Blaze]

Hey, I've read every post and two things stick out at me:

1: Everytime a girl had her period, whoops, there goes a life. It's natural that while some lives develop, others never have a chance. So abortion is just one live out of millions that has the same fate. Death.

2: If a child is born and put in an orphanage, then they'd want to know why they were left alone. Some children think that they were hated, and so stuck in an orphanage, and some of them take their own lives anyway. Sometimes it would be kinder for the baby and the mother to just have an abortion.

I live in New Zealand, which has the highest rate of teenage pregnancies in the entire world according to surveys. It is disgusting seeing little kids being treated badly by their immature mothers and fathers, of whom are not old enough to raise a child. I think that abortion should be an option for those parents that cannot look after their baby when its born, but under one condition:

Once the fetus grows past the first stages and it has grown lungs and a heart and looks recognisable as a human, then abortion should not be an option, because then it would be like murdering a baby.

So really, there is not much of a clear cut answer for abortion, but these are my views anyway.

[x?Pure_Heart?x]

People who have an abortion for religous reasons is dumb because if its because your 18 in most religions you shouldnt have been having sex before marriage!

[Mystlord]

I think that abortion should be an option for those parents that cannot look after their baby when its born, but under one condition:

Once the fetus grows past the first stages and it has grown lungs and a heart and looks recognisable as a human, then abortion should not be an option, because then it would be like murdering a baby.

So really, there is not much of a clear cut answer for abortion, but these are my views anyway.
That's, for the most part, not an option.
The fetus is generally considered to be the development of a baby after 8 weeks. The problem is that the heart and brain, the two most vital organs, have developed and started functioning rudimentary after 5-6 weeks. That's also the time when the woman's menstrual cycle stops. So generally, it will be too late for the woman to get an abortion by the time the fetus has a heart and a brain.
Although if you mean recognizable as a human, then that's different. I'd say 12 weeks then. I suppose that would make more sense since EEG activity can be detected by then...

Anyway, another problem is the payment. Sometimes, people can't get abortions because they don't have the money. That's kind of troubling too.

[Blaze]

Babies or fetuses (how ever you want to classify them), when they're still in the womb, can usually be aborted up till around 15 weeks. They cut the baby up into pieces with scalpels, then vaccum the remains out. Not a nice thought, but that's how they do it.

[Zagroy]

It may not be a nice thought but the fact of the matter is that while they are still in the womb pain can not be recognized by the infant. so considering that i'd say its perfectly humane. personally I say a persons body is like a temple sometimes you have to dispose of certain aspects in order to survive.

[Kaito]

Abortion does not kill children. When we kill children we call that murder--and those are illegal and do not go unpunished.
When we kill babies we call that infanticide--and that too is illegal.

Abortion is not killing a child or a baby--it is killing a fetus (which is at a different stage of development and is therefore not classified as a baby or as a child--nor, for that matter, as a person).

So it is not "simple," nor is it "fact" that abortion kills children. You are oversimplifying and are stating your beliefs as fact when they are in fact scientifically incorrect.

I also note that you are using pregnancy as a form of punishment for women who have sex. Isn't that kind of Victorian or even Medieval?

[Nemesis]

I think abortion is a sin, but I think that some sin's are necessary. Like if some little girl got pregnant, and she wouldn't survive the birthing of the child, I think she SHOULD have the abortion. So, in the end, I only say that some peaple, should keep it in their pant's.

[zeffie]

I believe in abortion. Despite the ethical arguments that people use to argue against it, I don't think they hold merit. If the baby is killed painlessly, before he/she has the chance to even feel pain, then it is at the very least, a good thing as opposed to dying painfully.

So are you the suggesting that painless death is justified due to a lack of the individual or potential individual feeling any kind of suffering due to being aborted? So according to this argument, it would then be justified that if an individual fails to feel pain, then such is justified in order to kill such an individual?

Lack of self-awareness does not suggest a lack of life.

For couples that don't want babies, the first thing they are going to do is to drop the baby in an orphanage. The point of making life is to nurture and protect it, not to discard it. Those parents who care nothing of their children should get an abortion.

Or use protection, or don't have sex at all... such is always an option. So discarding it by adoption is far worse than simply discarding a baby before it even has a chance to live? Ah, ok.

In giving their children to an orphanage, then they are throwing away a life.

And what does abortion do?

If they keep the child, then they are going to be very abusive or just negligent towards him/her.

Can you prove this? Can you prove that a lack of want/desire for a child will create an automatic hasty generalization for parents that will only be abusive or negligent? Such is impossible to prove on all fronts, and for all people.. as each individual is different, it is certainly reasonable to conclude that people may have a change of heart or manage the child in a better capacity through a sense of responsibility or perhaps simply wanting to love the child even if that child was not wanted in origin. Although again.. such is not suggested for all people either.

Then, the child will only know the horrors of life.

Just like everyone else, because life is just so easy and never difficult.. right.. so let's just abort everyone so they don't have to deal with life..

The horrors of being born. No attention from the parents, complete negligence, possibly even starvation. Such is not easily proven as the criteria for the child's existence after being born with such parents that had a lack of want for such child in origin.. you cannot directly attribute an origin of failed desire to equate to a failure at parenthood. Such is a transition, however such is not directly proven due to a lack of desire in origin.

Such an existence is worse than death, especially one that, if you're Christian, the baby will go straight to heaven.

So living is just pointless then in such a situation? So you're suggesting abortion is ok for Christians since the baby would presumably go directly to Heaven by default?

[The King of KH]

Abortion does not kill children. When we kill children we call that murder--and those are illegal and do not go unpunished.
When we kill babies we call that infanticide--and that too is illegal.

Abortion is not killing a child or a baby--it is killing a fetus (which is at a different stage of development and is therefore not classified as a baby or as a child--nor, for that matter, as a person).

So it is not "simple," nor is it "fact" that abortion kills children. You are oversimplifying and are stating your beliefs as fact when they are in fact scientifically incorrect.

I also note that you are using pregnancy as a form of punishment for women who have sex. Isn't that kind of Victorian or even Medieval?

hmm........Good point dude.

[darkheart4ever]

everyone should have a chance to live

plain and simple..

[Crossed_Out32]

The reason for abortions is because some irresponsible person or teen got pregnant and they don't want to deal with the cosequences so they the baby chopped up inside them. Sounds like someone should've used protection. they are condoms. use em people

[burntlettuce]

The reason for abortions is because some irresponsible person or teen got pregnant and they don't want to deal with the cosequences so they the baby chopped up inside them. Sounds like someone should've used protection. they are condoms. use em people

While i am totally against Abortion i must say that this statement is flawed. Some people do use condoms and still end up getting pregnant. Remember Condoms are only 97% effective.

To me there are just THOUSANDS of family's out there that want to have a baby but can't. I just don't see why you wouldn't put the baby up for adoption. I understand that you may feel as if your just leaving your baby in orphanage, but you don't have to do that. You can go through an Adoption company(and most of them are more then happy to work with you, even if you don't have a lot of money) and give that baby a good place to live before She/He is born.

The only times i think Abortion should be allowed is when the women is Rapped(because by no means is this her fault for having the baby), or when there is a clear and present danger that the mother might die in Pregnancy or that the baby wouldn't have long to live after birth.

[Xankira]

While I am also against abortion, I don't object if there is a good reason behind it. I like being known as open-minded, abortion included.

Anyway, I'd agree with abortion if the woman in question was raped, or if there would be a problem with the birth. however, if she can't afford the child, or fell pregnant by accident, again, I'd go for adoption. It isn't a good idea to dump the child on it's grandparents.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Think of it like this and you would understand a lot better.

Basically in Abortion your killing an innocent child for someone who has already messed up their lives and are not adult enough to take of their child.
Also the child you kill might've been a very important person to our country and the world.

The child who the people killed in a abortion might've been the one who cured cancer, landed on Mars for the first time, could've been a great athelete, and even might've been the president of the united states.

So basically im a normal Democrat,
I believe in the Death Penalty but not Abortion.

[Kaito]

Think of it like this and you would understand a lot better.

Basically in Abortion your killing an innocent child for someone who has already messed up their lives and are not adult enough to take of their child.
Also the child you kill might've been a very important person to our country and the world.

The child who the people killed in a abortion might've been the one who cured cancer, landed on Mars for the first time, could've been a great athelete, and even might've been the president of the united states.

So basically im a normal Democrat,
I believe in the Death Penalty but not Abortion.


Abortion does not kill children. When we kill children we call that murder--and those are illegal and do not go unpunished.
When we kill babies we call that infanticide--and that too is illegal.

Abortion is not killing a child or a baby--it is killing a fetus (which is at a different stage of development and is therefore not classified as a baby or as a child--nor, for that matter, as a person).

So it is not "simple," nor is it "fact" that abortion kills children. You are oversimplifying and are stating your beliefs as fact when they are in fact scientifically incorrect.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Abortion does not kill children. When we kill children we call that murder--and those are illegal and do not go unpunished.
When we kill babies we call that infanticide--and that too is illegal.

Abortion is not killing a child or a baby--it is killing a fetus (which is at a different stage of development and is therefore not classified as a baby or as a child--nor, for that matter, as a person).

So it is not "simple," nor is it "fact" that abortion kills children. You are oversimplifying and are stating your beliefs as fact when they are in fact scientifically incorrect.

but one day that fetus would be a child right?
just cause its a fetus doesn't mean its a person,
which is still murder.

[Kaito]

but one day that fetus would be a child right?
just cause its a fetus doesn't mean its a person,
which is still murder.

Things aren't always black and white. A fetus is not a human-being. And, it's not our choice whether the mother and father are or aren't allowed to do that, you can't say it's a human-being, because it's not. It's a fetus.

[Deadeye]

abortion is just wrong the fetus doesnt have a choice to live or breath the mother could always have the baby and let it be adopted or at least have a shot of making and have you ever seen what the fetus looks like after it has been aborted no then type it into google and see if you still feel the same way

[UltimaxWeapon]

Things aren't always black and white. A fetus is not a human-being. And, it's not our choice whether the mother and father are or aren't allowed to do that, you can't say it's a human-being, because it's not. It's a fetus.

fetus's have heart beats, embryos don't,
once the embryo turns into a fetus it is a human.
being a democrat and catholic i dont believe in abortion,
its murder any way u look at it.
an abortion is just for dumb teenagers who didn't use a condom and got his gf pregnant.
and if the guy was a man he wouldnt chicken out and kill your own child.
like i said that kid could be someone who would change the world.

[Kaito]

So, having a woman suffer having a baby. Isn't that kind of Victorian or even Medieval? I mean, what if she was raped? What if it wasn't her "fault"?

[UltimaxWeapon]

So, having a woman suffer having a baby. Isn't that kind of Victorian or even Medieval? I mean, what if she was raped? What if it wasn't her "fault"?

thats beside the point,
if u have a child u take care of it and raise it like he/she was planned.
an abortion is the wrong way out in every way.

[Kaito]

thats beside the point,
if u have a child u take care of it and raise it like he/she was planned.
an abortion is the wrong way out in every way.

Haha. "Beside the point." Is using the same line over and over like. "He may grow up to be something important." That's all you've been saying. It's too "simple" in a very complex discussion like this. Once you get some new points I'll come back to have a REAL debate with you.

Also, Welcome back.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Haha. "Beside the point." Is using the same line over and over like. "He may grow up to be something important." That's all you've been saying. It's too "simple" in a very complex discussion like this. Once you get some new points I'll come back to have a REAL debate with you.

Also, Welcome back.

go back one page and you'll see my point.

[Kaito]

go back one page and you'll see my point.

There is no point. There isn't "right" and "wrong". But, I don't believe in abortion anyway, least I know you have a good heart.

Sometimes you must look at both sides of the debate. Science is pretty advanced. That was the Science outlook on it.

There are too many different sides of abortion to view. Too many situations to oversee. For instance like the "rape" issue. It all matters on the situation that took place, it can't be simple.

[UltimaxWeapon]

ok well look, a fetus has a heart beat,
once it has a heart beat its a human-being.
an embryo doesn't and thats what your thining of.
there is no right way about it, only wrong ways.
most abortions are teenagers who have messed their lives already,
and abortion is just for someone to help someone who has already messed up their lives,
by killing someone who hasn't even fully developed yet.

[Deadeye]

evan if the woman was raped the child could still be born and if she didnt want it give it to a family that cant have kids so thatway both families have a choice

[UltimaxWeapon]

evan if the woman was raped the child could still be born and if she didnt want it give it to a family that cant have kids so thatway both families have a choice

or u can put the kid up for adoption so ur not killing it.

[Kaito]

or u can put the kid up for adoption so ur not killing it.

Have you ever "had" a baby? I didn't think so.


Basicly it's torture, it's so painful it's as if it's punishment. You're saying she should give it up to adoption. But, if she is raped or has unprotected sex then you are going to punish her by making her have the baby? I don't understand how you guys can sit there and act like it's so simple, when it's quite the opposite.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Have you ever "had" a baby? I didn't think so.


Basicly it's torture, it's so painful it's as if it's punishment. You're saying she should give it up to adoption. But, if she is raped or has unprotected sex then you are going to punish her by making her have the baby? I don't understand how you guys can sit there and act like it's so simple, when it's quite the opposite.

i don't see why u think the only way to solve it
is to kill the fetus which is indeed a human.
meaning that it is murder,
have you ever had a baby?
whether the girl was raped or not u take care of ur gf no matter what so it will have a life.
even if it means to put it up for adoption.

[dragonlord562]

A, its not as simple as that. I doubt any true mother would be willing to give away her child, whether it be up for adoption, in an orphanage, or to another family. It would tear her heart apart, to always think of her child and how she gave him/her away. B, you are thinking about a baby that is dieing before it is born into this world. What if the parents can't take care of it? What if the baby is better of dieing, than starving or dieing of disease? What if the parents aren't the best and will end up ruining the child's life, making the child live a life of drudgery and make it worse than hell? Also, in a rape case, you expect the woman to have the child of the man that raped her? Do you realize how much mental torture that would be, everytime she looks at the child? Not to mention going through all that pain for somebody like that?

[UltimaxWeapon]

A, its not as simple as that. I doubt any true mother would be willing to give away her child, whether it be up for adoption, in an orphanage, or to another family. It would tear her heart apart, to always think of her child and how she gave him/her away. B, you are thinking about a baby that is dieing before it is born into this world. What if the parents can't take care of it? What if the baby is better of dieing, than starving or dieing of disease? What if the parents aren't the best and will end up ruining the child's life, making the child live a life of drudgery and make it worse than hell? Also, in a rape case, you expect the woman to have the child of the man that raped her? Do you realize how much mental torture that would be, everytime she looks at the child? Not to mention going through all that pain for somebody like that?

ok but how much more metal torture it would be to kill a child?
pregnancy is never easy, but it doesn't mean that u kill the fetus.
and how would it be dieing of diseases? we never even brought into this debate.
whether she was raped or not u can't kill the baby, its just wrong.
Abortion is never an option, if it were put into an orphanage they would take care of the baby, thats what their for.
i have a 17 year old girl my algebra 2 class who was raped and got pregnant.
and what did she do?
shes keeping the baby and raising it, personally i think deserves an award,
she was raped, is now 4 1/2 months pregnant, and is still in high school but shes doing the right thing.
now i can't really tell if u and kaito are saying that abortion is right,
it might be because im catholic or because im a democrat, but either way u look at it it is still wrong and will always be wrong.

[dragonlord562]

In some situations, I agree, it should not be allowed, but you can't have an absolute view of this matter. Not everybody is strong enough to take that kind of load. Most of the time, the people that get in a situation like this, may not be able to take the pressure of managing a child and at that age. Kudos to the girl in your class, but I don't believe everybody could pull it off. Of course, I agree it doesn't mean they should automatically abort the child, but in certain cases, I believe abortion should be allowed.

[UltimaxWeapon]

In some situations, I agree, it should not be allowed, but you can't have an absolute view of this matter. Not everybody is strong enough to take that kind of load. Most of the time, the people that get in a situation like this, may not be able to take the pressure of managing a child and at that age. Kudos to the girl in your class, but I don't believe everybody could pull it off. Of course, I agree it doesn't mean they should automatically abort the child, but in certain cases, I believe abortion should be allowed.

ok well like i said a few posts ago,
what if that child were to grow up to be something great?
what u or gets cancer one day and hes the one who cures it? hypothetically speaking of course.
An abortion to me is just something that takes away an innocent person for some who has already screwed up their lives.
it doesnt matter if the person is ready or not,
i mean they could've prevented it all if they used protection or didn't have sex to start with.
i feel like if they make the decision to have sex and aren't ready to pay the consequences, then thats their fault and the rest of their lives will be ruined forever and until the day they die.
Aboetion is just wrong and shouldn't have ever existed to start with.

[robbie makin love]

ok but how much more metal torture it would be to kill a child?
pregnancy is never easy, but it doesn't mean that u kill the fetus.
and how would it be dieing of diseases? we never even brought into this debate.
whether she was raped or not u can't kill the baby, its just wrong.
Abortion is never an option, if it were put into an orphanage they would take care of the baby, thats what their for.
i have a 17 year old girl my algebra 2 class who was raped and got pregnant.
and what did she do?
shes keeping the baby and raising it, personally i think deserves an award,
she was raped, is now 4 1/2 months pregnant, and is still in high school but shes doing the right thing.
now i can't really tell if u and kaito are saying that abortion is right,
it might be because im catholic or because im a democrat, but either way u look at it it is still wrong and will always be wrong.

u not really killing a baby in abortion
for one its not a baby
and two it cant feal pain and its consciousness dosnt kick in for a while
and even when it does kick in it dosnt have memories for years to come so really no one comes to harm from abortion
u cant kill somthing if its not technically living
plus abortion makes society a better place
there will always be people stupid enough not to protect themsleves
if we dont allow people to right wrong's then things are going to get extremely out of hand
poeple not fit to look after children shouldnt, and children dont deserve to be put into an orphanage and made to live thier entire lives knowing their unwanted by the people who are supposed to love u the most in life
basically, preventing abortion does more trouble to people then allowing it
why make several people aswell as the child itself suffer when u can solve the problem painlessly
its a bit foolish
right or wrong we need abortion
try living in england where underage pregnancy is a big problem
the children only grow up to be young criminals
and their mothers live of benefits which is as good as poor
its not a pretty sight
and it happens alot
just today ive seen examples of it
and knowing that theres such a simple solution but yet so many people opose it is almost foolish
orphanages and adoption dont always work either
mothers can sometimes get attached and end up regretting it
and like i said earlier, its not great for the kids either
u can only really understand the severity of this problem when u live where its severe
if u did then only ur religion would hold u back agaisnt abortion
and even then religions influence on things like these are commonly ignored being as only the religous dont indulge in it

[darkheart4ever]

i'd really hate the fact that some girls that have been impregnated are pressured into the idea of geetiing an abortion

every human life has value...

[UltimaxWeapon]

u not really killing a baby in abortion
for one its not a baby
and two it cant feal pain and its consciousness dosnt kick in for a while
and even when it does kick in it dosnt have memories for years to come so really no one comes to harm from abortion
u cant kill somthing if its not technically living
plus abortion makes society a better place
there will always be people stupid enough not to protect themsleves
if we dont allow people to right wrong's then things are going to get extremely out of hand
poeple not fit to look after children shouldnt, and children dont deserve to be put into an orphanage and made to live thier entire lives knowing their unwanted by the people who are supposed to love u the most in life
basically, preventing abortion does more trouble to people then allowing it
why make several people aswell as the child itself suffer when u can solve the problem painlessly
its a bit foolish
right or wrong we need abortion
try living in england where underage pregnancy is a big problem
the children only grow up to be young criminals
and their mothers live of benefits which is as good as poor
its not a pretty sight
and it happens alot
just today ive seen examples of it
and knowing that theres such a simple solution but yet so many people opose it is almost foolish
orphanages and adoption dont always work either
mothers can sometimes get attached and end up regretting it
and like i said earlier, its not great for the kids either
u can only really understand the severity of this problem when u live where its severe
if u did then only ur religion would hold u back agaisnt abortion
and even then religions influence on things like these are commonly ignored being as only the religous dont indulge in it

i dont honestly see how u can say abortion is a good thing,
ur killing the fetus of a baby
which has a heartbeat which means its a baby and a human.
and aren't people supposed to live life and have memorys?
abortions stops life from happening,
now i never said that choosing about it easy, especially about putting it up for adoption and choosing to keep it,
but the one thing that shouldn't even cross ur mind is abortion,
its inhumane and morally sick, why do that to something that hasn't even seen the light of day yet?
if it causes more trouble to the person who is pregnant and the one who her pregnant then its their fault for having un safe sex in the first place and they need to pay the price,
abortion is doing someone a favor because their lives screwed, like i said about that girl she was raped and is now pregnant but she is keeping her child cause its the right thing to do.
real men stick by their girlfreinds in that time of need because u know that it was ur fault in the first place, and they take care and love that child until the day that you die, regardless of the situation.
and how in the hell does abortion make society a better place?
thats basically saying its ok to have and if u get pregnant to get an abortion cause it will make society better.
now the "sex pistols" wrote a song about abortion and they are from the U.k. as well, and even if they were arguably the most crazy and most care less band in history, they did not aprove of abortion, even they have common sense.
and children who are born under the influence dont always grow up to become criminals, there have been dozens of people who were born into a family who did drugs and were arrested a lot, but the children went on to do great thing and go to ivy leauge colleges and become doctors etc......,
and its true that u can solve the problem of pregnancy easily and painfully by abortion in a physical matter, but it will mentally break u down for the rest of ur life and will hurt forever until the day u die because u killed someone, someone who was ur own flesh and blood. the baby did nothing wrong to u so why kill it?
its not only about religion its about being a man.

[Deadeye]

I dont belive in abortion never will but if you do go to this website but dont if you have a weak gut

http://www.christiangallery.com/smdead.html

[darkheart4ever]

yeah been there pratically puked on my friends shoe..

[robbie makin love]

I dont belive in abortion never will but if you do go to this website but dont if you have a weak gut

http://www.christiangallery.com/smdead.html

just from what i saw at the bottom of the page i could tell there was alot of exaggeration

dont take it in

theres alot they dont talk about
very biased

i dont honestly see how u can say abortion is a good thing,
ur killing the fetus of a baby
which has a heartbeat which means its a baby and a human.
and aren't people supposed to live life and have memorys?
abortions stops life from happening,
now i never said that choosing about it easy, especially about putting it up for adoption and choosing to keep it,
but the one thing that shouldn't even cross ur mind is abortion,
its inhumane and morally sick, why do that to something that hasn't even seen the light of day yet?
if it causes more trouble to the person who is pregnant and the one who her pregnant then its their fault for having un safe sex in the first place and they need to pay the price,
abortion is doing someone a favor because their lives screwed, like i said about that girl she was raped and is now pregnant but she is keeping her child cause its the right thing to do.
real men stick by their girlfreinds in that time of need because u know that it was ur fault in the first place, and they take care and love that child until the day that you die, regardless of the situation.
and how in the hell does abortion make society a better place?
thats basically saying its ok to have and if u get pregnant to get an abortion cause it will make society better.
now the "sex pistols" wrote a song about abortion and they are from the U.k. as well, and even if they were arguably the most crazy and most care less band in history, they did not aprove of abortion, even they have common sense.
and children who are born under the influence dont always grow up to become criminals, there have been dozens of people who were born into a family who did drugs and were arrested a lot, but the children went on to do great thing and go to ivy leauge colleges and become doctors etc......,
and its true that u can solve the problem of pregnancy easily and painfully by abortion in a physical matter, but it will mentally break u down for the rest of ur life and will hurt forever until the day u die because u killed someone, someone who was ur own flesh and blood. the baby did nothing wrong to u so why kill it?
its not only about religion its about being a man.

the sexpistols are very old
this wasnt a problem back then

it may not be morraly correct
but this is planet earth
the greater good always wins
u may think its wrong
but everyone else knows whats good for the world
whats morraly best isnt always whats best
fetuses dont feel pain and havnt lived and dont even know they die
the only thing they loose is a lifetime of knowing their parents never wanted them
and the parents in question dont have to ruin their lives
at the end of the day people know whats best and just like most things in the world its horrible
live with it
cus ur never going to make it go away

[asylum51]

amen. it has a frickin heart beat. i love that episode of house where he kept saying the mom should kill the "fetus" b/c it was killing the mother but when he needed to do surgery on it to cure both of them, it grabbed his finger and from then on he called it a baby.

and a baby moves anyway. but a fetus has a heartbeat. 'nuff said.

[Cristo]

Abortion is bad. And wrong. It's badong. And I stand for the opposite...gnodab.

[asylum51]

but everyone else knows whats good for the world
whats morraly best isnt always whats best
fetuses dont feel pain and havnt lived and dont even know they die


first of all do u remember being a fetus, cause how would u know unless u lived it in a "past life" or whatever some ppl believe (i don't if u can't tell).

so is assassination without a trial justified? because people have different opinions of what is right so what standard are you comparing them to?


Edited:
this is the trancendental quality of conciousness Decartes wrote about- how your "being" and your life are separate from your "body"/"soul". ur concious, and that isn't a physical quality in itself. so that's why "is it living" is not able to be proven. in that case it would make sense and be safe to just avoid the possibility of murder.

[L.Cresent]

From my point of veiw,abortion is bad.Its murder,killing an innocent life before it even has a chance.They called it abortion so the name wouldn't look as bad as murder,but the main word in there is abort,meaning to leave something behind.In religiuos point of veiw,it goes against what the lord has taught us.No one remembers being a fetus but our mothers tell us what happened when we were.

[UltimaxWeapon]

just from what i saw at the bottom of the page i could tell there was alot of exaggeration

dont take it in

theres alot they dont talk about
very biased



the sexpistols are very old
this wasnt a problem back then

it may not be morraly correct
but this is planet earth
the greater good always wins
u may think its wrong
but everyone else knows whats good for the world
whats morraly best isnt always whats best
fetuses dont feel pain and havnt lived and dont even know they die
the only thing they loose is a lifetime of knowing their parents never wanted them
and the parents in question dont have to ruin their lives
at the end of the day people know whats best and just like most things in the world its horrible
live with it
cus ur never going to make it go away
regardless of how old the sex pistols are they knew what they are talking about.
i believe most punk bands from that time wrote alot of their songs in a political way.
fetuses might not feel pain but its not the actual pain of abortion that im talking about.
and by everyone,
i hope u mean the dumbass teenagers who already messed their lives up and are to stupid to take care of the child instead of taking the easy way out.
if everyone in the world knew what was good for the world,
then they wouldn't kill one of gods creations,
whether or not they can or cannot feel pain.
it is morally wrong and always will be wrong,
and fetuses loose a lot more then the fact that their parents were a bunch of idiots who didn't want them,
they missed out on going to school and graduating, getting married, feeling pain and emotions, getting a job, having children of their own etc.....
and the only reason of that is because their parents were cowards and obviously aren't real adults, and even worse parents.

[kyo]

Say what you will about abortion.....
I still think it's funny to go up to a fat chick and fake punch her in the stomach and shout "ABORTION!!!"

[robbie makin love]

regardless of how old the sex pistols are they knew what they are talking about.
i believe most punk bands from that time wrote alot of their songs in a political way.
fetuses might not feel pain but its not the actual pain of abortion that im talking about.
and by everyone,
i hope u mean the dumbass teenagers who already messed their lives up and are to stupid to take care of the child instead of taking the easy way out.
if everyone in the world knew what was good for the world,
then they wouldn't kill one of gods creations,
whether or not they can or cannot feel pain.
it is morally wrong and always will be wrong,
and fetuses loose a lot more then the fact that their parents were a bunch of idiots who didn't want them,
they missed out on going to school and graduating, getting married, feeling pain and emotions, getting a job, having children of their own etc.....
and the only reason of that is because their parents were cowards and obviously aren't real adults, and even worse parents.

not everyone in the world can be parents
in reality having kids is rubbish
they cost £250,000 over the space of 18 years, they are the most stress inducing thing in the known universe and will ruin any relashonship you are in
some people tresure their lives so dont have kids
and like i said before, its morraly wrong but imagine the world without it
we're all human and we all make mistakes
dosnt mean we have to suffer the pain of it aswell make an inncoent life created out of that mistake suffer for the rest of their life too
children in this case dont grow up to go to skool and get a job etc etc
the emotional conflicts they'll feel from knowing they werent wanted or not having both parents and, as the case always is, not having parents who can properly provide for them, makes them turn out under achievers and they dont get anywhere in life
as said before
whats worse
somthing dying that dosnt know its alive or feels pain
or all people involved going through a lifetime of trouble and problems
most people will know the greater good is always best when u have to make a choice like this
if u think its morraly wrong then live with it
it may be morraly wrong but it still helps the world

[UltimaxWeapon]

not everyone in the world can be parents
in reality having kids is rubbish
they cost £250,000 over the space of 18 years, they are the most stress inducing thing in the known universe and will ruin any relashonship you are in
some people tresure their lives so dont have kids
and like i said before, its morraly wrong but imagine the world without it
we're all human and we all make mistakes
dosnt mean we have to suffer the pain of it aswell make an inncoent life created out of that mistake suffer for the rest of their life too
children in this case dont grow up to go to skool and get a job etc etc
the emotional conflicts they'll feel from knowing they werent wanted or not having both parents and, as the case always is, not having parents who can properly provide for them, makes them turn out under achievers and they dont get anywhere in life
as said before
whats worse
somthing dying that dosnt know its alive or feels pain
or all people involved going through a lifetime of trouble and problems
most people will know the greater good is always best when u have to make a choice like this
if u think its morraly wrong then live with it
it may be morraly wrong but it still helps the world
in ur own opinion then u wouldn't have kids.
so then would u actually get ur gf to get an abortion if it ever happened?
some people like to have children and even if it came up at the wrong time.
my best freinds mom had his brother when was freakin 14 but she didn't kill him.
and if ur looking at all the statistics of having children then u will never know what its like to be a parent.
its not the point that it doesn't feel pain or know its alive, its just wrong in to many reasons.
people do make mistakes, but when we say that we mean like accidents or somthing,
having a kid is a mistake, but its not somthing u can fix by taking it to an abortion clinic and scrammbling its brains out.
if ur lifes already destroyed then why ruin someone elses before it even has a chance to live?
especially if that person is ur own flesh and blood and the one who would love u more then any other person in the world.
abortions are for cowards, whether or not u might not be suitable to be parent,
thats ur own fault and u need to fix yourself.

[darkheart4ever]

there's no way some one can prove that abortion is a good thing..

[robbie makin love]

clearly no ones ever going to give in on this debate
if u could only see what things are like over here, then if u had any sort of common knowledge u would change your mind
things in america arnt the same over here
over there not having an abortion may seem like ur saving a life and u deserve a medal
but here things are different
not having an abortion just makes all party's involved go through worse then the alternative
being a religous type u only get told of the glories of opposing abortion, never the down sides
its obvious uve never seen it so u can never really know
sure its morraly wrong but u gotta think about whats best people
people make mistakes but they dont always have to pay for it
we dont live in a world where u pay for all ur mistakes and thank god we dont

look at this way
we live in democracy
its not a nice way of living
poor countries always remain poor and rich countries always remain greedy
its horrible but compared to the others its the best
its the same here
abortion is horrible
but its the best alternative
we dont live in happy world and this is a prime example
live with it or live unhappy

[asylum51]

ok my best friend could have been aborted and he doesn't care that his mom got pregnant at 16 he's just glad he's alive. he might not have the best relationship with his mom, but he's about to get certified for a job he loves and is good at, and has a girl he wants to marry. not all teen pregnancy stories are sob stories, so don't stereotype.

"if i wanted to die i would have committed suicide already"
-my friend

[robbie makin love]

ok my best friend could have been aborted and he doesn't care that his mom got pregnant at 16 he's just glad he's alive. he might not have the best relationship with his mom, but he's about to get certified for a job he loves and is good at, and has a girl he wants to marry. not all teen pregnancy stories are sob stories, so don't stereotype.

"if i wanted to die i would have committed suicide already"
-my friend

it differs from where people live
its a problem in some places and its not in others
hence why some allow it and some dont
somthing ive said from the start so i wasnt stereotyping

[darkheart4ever]

everyone should have a chance to live..

[zeffie]

everyone should have a chance to live..

I certainly agree, life has value, even if some consider it the potential for life, it has value..

[khveteranXIII]

I personally believe that it is the mother's choice, but I also believe it's wrong to kill a baby who's yet to see the world.

Like I say so myself a lot: "Who are we to decide who lives and who dies?"

[Yunie]

It is the pregnated person's decision to make, not anyone elses. Escpecially if the person gets pregnant, and thier parents don't approve... @_@ Yes, it is not our decision to decide who lives and who dies, but fates... lawl

[Misuzu]

the reason people have abortions is because having children at the wrong time is life ruining
kids cost £250,000 over the time of 18 years
if ur not a person of good responsibility or in finacial safety ur goin to be ruined
and ever after the child has left problems still come
and these problems rub off on the child
would u want them to experiacne that?
and its these children that are brought into bad familys that tend to become criminals tho it can still work both ways (and that comes from a generalization of what ive seen)
plus it is not essentially taking a life
they havnt lived in the world, they havnt had an effect on anything they havnt done things that living things do
their dissapeance would mean nothing
and its possible that they dont even feel pain
is taking a life that hanst really done anything that u would do in life still taking a life
and the mother is responsible for them anyway
and about reasons for having sex
humans are alot different to the rest of the worlds animals
for some of procreation which seems to be humans main drive, we've evolved "pleasure" from having sex
so having sex for the sake of having babies is way, way, WAY in the past
hence the term "making love"
plus wat if a woman is raped and is made pregnant from it
should she have to carry and care for the child of someone who attacked her?
i dont think so
my opnion is that it is somthin that is sometimes needed
people shouldnt have to go through these things because of a mistake
and it should never be called taking a life if they havnt technically lived or even feel pain


ok whatever the hell you were thinking was extremely horrible. there disspaearance means nothing?? they dont feel pain? that is like saying if you stick a needle in YOUR neck then you wont feel it. they are human beings just like us. and even though a kid can be a burden, she doesnt HAVE to keep it the rest of her life. ever heard of ADOPTION? then the kid can actually have a chance to life its life in the world. okay, if the woman/babys life is in danger, THEN there is an exeption. but look online, there are many sources that say that the cause of abortion is a very VERY little percentage of the woman being raped. most causes is that she had sex with her watever and just didnt want to have it because it'd ruin there lives. so the main cause is that it is THEIR fault. all they had to do was use a condom while doin there little sumthin-sumthin, and that would never have happened. and by the way, all they have to do is put it up for adoption, and there you go. it'll have a nice new loving home. and if they are brought up wrong that is the idiot parent's fault. i dont care what you say but abortion is murder. and that is a FACT.

[robbie makin love]

ok whatever the hell you were thinking was extremely horrible. there disspaearance means nothing?? they dont feel pain? that is like saying if you stick a needle in YOUR neck then you wont feel it. they are human beings just like us. and even though a kid can be a burden, she doesnt HAVE to keep it the rest of her life. ever heard of ADOPTION? then the kid can actually have a chance to life its life in the world. okay, if the woman/babys life is in danger, THEN there is an exeption. but look online, there are many sources that say that the cause of abortion is a very VERY little percentage of the woman being raped. most causes is that she had sex with her watever and just didnt want to have it because it'd ruin there lives. so the main cause is that it is THEIR fault. all they had to do was use a condom while doin there little sumthin-sumthin, and that would never have happened. and by the way, all they have to do is put it up for adoption, and there you go. it'll have a nice new loving home. and if they are brought up wrong that is the idiot parent's fault. i dont care what you say but abortion is murder. and that is a FACT.

sticking a needle in my neck hurts because im a developed human and im fully conscious of the world around me
fetus's dont get this until far into a pregnancy
they dont feel pain, let alone a conscious pain and they havnt even lived
its horrible yes but thats the world we live in
its only fair to prioritise to someone who has somthing to loose or at the least more to loose
fetus's probably dont know what loosing or that they even had it
and its only potential life aswell
unwanted pregnancy is not a nice thing to go through for both parent and child
plus adoption isnt as good as u think it is
going through life knowing that the two people who should look after you always dont even want you isnt exactly a walk in the park
and they have to deal with it their entire lives
why suffer?
and uve got to accept that not everyone in the world is smart enough to protect themselves
i dont understand it myself but its always gonna happen
i dont know about you but i live where this is a problem
and its needed
u gotta accept that whats right isnt always whats morraly right

[Misuzu]

i dont care. God created every person for a reason. just because the parents may not love them all the time doesnt mean God wont stop loving them. ever.

[Lone Wolf]

So whats morally right is taking the life of an ususpecting child?

And just because it won't feel any pain doesn't mean that the mother won't. Do you even know how a woman who has recently aborted feel about that? If they do have a child in the future they begin to wonder... how the other kid might have been and things like that. It's a pain that won't ever be healed, try to erase murder from your head, your own family too.

And what else, do you think that only because there is no pain that it's not bad, that because the fetus won't feel it that it's not murder? Let me tell you that in our world today, silent kills have been developed ferverently, imagine being stuck in a room full of colorless, tasteless, odorless monoxide slowly killing you, without you even noticing?

You'll just fall asleep and die, is that alright then?

[Misuzu]

Exactly!!!!!!!!! Thank You Lone Wolf!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

NUFF SAID!

[asylum51]

if fetuses (plural?) can't feel pain and its okay to kill them then why is it such a problem for someone to cut down a tree? i know, global warming, ect. but what if the baby you're killing IS the next albert einstein?

I mean, think about what ppl are supporting! "Save the Trees and Kill the Children!" whether they are children yet or not does not change the fact that life is being taken from (potentially) someone.

define death- is it by heartbeat, or some level of consiousness, or some other medical condition? if you stop a heartbeat (ect.) you are bringing death to something, but you can't bring death to something that has never been alive. you need to redefine death or abortion is still death forced onto an "individual" without a choice.

[Shadow Wielder]

As a roman christian i believe that abortions are VERY WRONG, should be illegal..
The baby in the womans womb is already a human. If you were to to do abortion your killing that baby. Isn't killing a murder/homicide? Isn't it not allowed? That baby shouldnt be killed as it already has the gift of life. If you don't want the child at least give it to an adoption agency or sumthing...Why in the world are you having sex then. Sex isnt sumthing for fun.. like hollywood stuff. Its there so we can reproduce.

[asylum51]

um we'er discussing WHY its considered a human....

and even in the Bible it says that Adam *cough* "knew" Eve w/o mentioning children, so i don't think that the only reason sex exists is for procreation only. it is there for intimacy as well. but that's another topic....

[darkheart4ever]

abortion there should be only one question?

Is it lawfull to have one?...


there are too many peripheral issues that are associated with abortion..

[Kryptik]

abortion there should be only one question?

Is it lawfull to have one?...


there are too many peripheral issues that are associated with abortion..

Oh yeah, I just like to leave this topic alone because of my logic. If you don't want kids and you don't want to even both with them then don't start screwing each other then if you aren't ready for the responsibility. Thats what I always say to anyone who ask. I guess Abortion is the next step to people who've already have the kid because they didn't have the guts to kill it. Thats a generation that'll never happen. One less person in the world kind of thing. It may seem cruel now but there are so many people in the world already.

[Lone Wolf]

um we'er discussing WHY its considered a human....

and even in the Bible it says that Adam *cough* "knew" Eve w/o mentioning children, so i don't think that the only reason sex exists is for procreation only. it is there for intimacy as well. but that's another topic....



In a christian view, I can tell you that your right in saying sex was not created for the soul purpose of reproduction. God made it for humans to have pleasure and for reproduction in the lines of marriage though. You can't just go all willy niilly in your pre-marriage days, it doesn't and never will work that day.

And interesting fact I learned another day, and I won't go into detail, is that there is a 5 day range in which a woman can get pregnant so it's not just a random thing that happens, it can be controlled if you know how, now if you can't control your carnal desires than thats your own problem. Don't blame it on the kid thats been engendered.

The world is growing and growing everyday we all know that,and we're headed on a rate to which eventually, if God wills it, there will be so many people that we'll have to move to other planets, and start messing that one up. I also believe that, no matter how many people there are on this earth that with the increase in nuclear weapon threaths and things of the sorts that if a nuclear bomb hits anywhere at all the people that will die will be on a much greater scale than silly teenage pregnancy.

[asylum51]

exactly! God designed sex to be inside marriage, that's why women can get pregnant, and why it won't matter if ur already planning on spending the rest of your life with the person you're screwing and someone gets pregnant.

the parents screwed up. don't take it out on the product, fix the cause.