What if...

[RXS]

I had an idea

Maybe Roxas was made because of Ven.

Let me elaborate
Maybe Sora somehow knew Ven, but had his memory erased. But it was still there although he could nto remember it. When he became a heartless, whatever force made his nobody used his memories of Ven to make roxas, and thats why roxas had sora's memories

[lionsbarrage]

all nobodies of org. have memories of their former selves, but Roxas was different at first because since Sora didnt spend much time as a heartless, Roxas was a bit different. As for Ven knowing Sora, as far as we know Terra was the only one on the islands watching Sora and Riku.

[RXS]

noo, i think that in the BBS trailer at jump fest it was both of them
and i dont see how he was any different except for the fact that his original self came back from being a heartless

[lionsbarrage]

noo, i think that in the BBS trailer at jump fest it was both of them
and i dont see how he was any different except for the fact that his original self came back from being a heartless

It was already confirmed as to why Roxas couldnt remember at first , with the reason being Sora being reverted so fast, as for the trailer, it is only Terra, Ven is at a beach as well but not destiny islands, it was twilight town.

[waitin4KH3]

Ven is on the beach at Destiny Islands. If you look at the background in the picture, it's the same beach where Kairi first meets Axel. And the picture of Ven on the beach with someones shadow in the background, it looks like a grown-up Riku that's standing next to him. I like the theory, Roxas x Sora.

[Key of Valor]

Based on everything we're told in the game the theory is unlikely but
sometimes the game has been known to mislead. Assuming everything
we're told in the game is true though this theory doesn't fit.

[Darkwatch]

I had an idea

Maybe Roxas was made because of Ven.

Let me elaborate
Maybe Sora somehow knew Ven, but had his memory erased. But it was still there although he could nto remember it. When he became a heartless, whatever force made his nobody used his memories of Ven to make roxas, and thats why roxas had sora's memoriesThat's a fairly good theory you have. Perhaps elaborating a little more?

I'm curious. lol

all nobodies of org. have memories of their former selves, but Roxas was different at first because since Sora didnt spend much time as a heartless, Roxas was a bit different. As for Ven knowing Sora, as far as we know Terra was the only one on the islands watching Sora and Riku.Where do you get your facts? O_o

[Number13Roxas]

I think maybe Ven is Sora's older brother,so then when Sora became a heartless his nobody was in the image of his close blood relative.


On your theory its possible,we know very little of the game,so for all we know everyones theory could be right.

[Key of Valor]

What about Namine.

Has anyone givin a second thought of why she
looks how she does. A theory that encompasses
half of a mystery is incomplete.

[RXS]

well maybe the nobodys are created in small resemblance to their original characters. Maybe namine looks like that because kairi is pure of heart, but maybe aqua isnt. so it couldnt decide which to look like.


okay, when you make the nobody it takes the body thats left over right? well it should have taken soras body, but since sora turned back into a human, it used the body of the person who looked most like him, ven?

[Key of Valor]

I'm pretty sure Roxas is soley the product of Sora's original transformation
into a heartless and other than his memory was not effect by Sora's heart
recreating a new body.

I have a theory I'm quite proud of where
Namine is created using Sora's body and soul
(As Said in the Secret Ansem Reports)
and the design released when Sora lost his
heart used Ven's body to create Roxas who
is Sora's Nobody formed from Ven's actual
body and soul.

[lionsbarrage]

u know, im thinking that when we put connection i think its too literal, firstly im not sure nobodies have souls or not personally i dont think so, just cause of the fact that there no facts stating so and with an intro of new enimes just seems souls have more seperate role, like the body and heart. AS far as Namine goesreguardless of the reports doesnt seem right at all her body was from Sora, Roxas body is questionable, i feel like It is indeed fact Soras body, but there is some sorta gap between Roxas and Ven which also leads me to believe Ven isnt like a nromal person.

[Key of Valor]

I take the easy way. It's too hard to make an accurate theory when you
have to weigh what is fact and false. I assume all is true and go from there
and my theories fit. Too bad it's not that easy, as you believe, we may have
been mislead.

I ask you this. How can a body be alive without a life force? How would a soul
seperate from a body without the body dying? How do we know that Roxas has
Sora's body when they're not even similar?

I'm firm believer in my theories but perhaps if these questions could be provided
by accurate answers then I would have a more opened mind about your theory.

To me these were the only three things that ever strongly contadicted your theory.

[lionsbarrage]

I take the easy way. It's too hard to make an accurate theory when you
have to weigh what is fact and false. I assume all is true and go from there
and my theories fit. Too bad it's not that easy, as you believe, we may have
been mislead.

I ask you this. How can a body be alive without a life force? How would a soul
seperate from a body without the body dying? How do we know that Roxas has
Sora's body when they're not even similar?

I'm firm believer in my theories but perhaps if these questions could be provided
by accurate answers then I would have a more opened mind about your theory.

To me these were the only three things that ever strongly contadicted your theory.

Well u see in KH1 what we thought to be true and all ends meet, turns out to be right yet and the same tim wrong. So when things are left open i take the small gap there is there and look more into other possibilities in order for this great game to continue.

As for body and soul, though it may be true normal humans can't live without a soul, how are we to know that nobodies can do the same? Myabe its one of the reasons why they shouldnt exist, or why heartless as far as we know dont have souls either. Plus with a new enemy not bein of nobody or heartless just makes me think about the missing component that makes a person, which is the soul.

Right now we dont really know if Roxas does indeed have Soras body, i for one think he does just more to it, however as far as similar goes. Its true to our eyes and prolly most viewer eyes that play the game we notice hardly any similarities between Sora and Roxas, as far as looks go. But the characters in the game seem to view them as very similar people, and thats prolly part of the reason why they call Sora Roxas. I mnea for example like when Sora went to timeless river, and the 2 petes were there. Sora and co could not tell the difference between them based on looks, even though to our eyes we could easily tell.

[D.A.]

why woudn't it look like the closest person which really would be roxas , my bad repling to someone on the bottom of page 1

[Key of Valor]

Well your theory isn't based off gaps so to say. More like reasonable
doubt which makes your theory reasonable. As for nobodies having no souls
I'm am not convinced but I see who such a component may not be necessary
if the soul of the body could be replaced by a dark force (though in my mind it
goes against my idea of what a nobody is supposed to be)

As for Sora not looking like Roxas, in my theory I state how Roxas is Ven's body
meeting Sora's appearence halfway which explains how Namine is Sora's body
meeting Kairi's appearence halfway. It is never clearly stated that Roxas and Sora
look alike though it is implied. I guess what I'm saying that many interpretations
could exist about their similarity yet non can relay be supported by concrete fact.

As for Pete, they thought that the past Pete was the present Pete because when
Sora, Donald, and Goofy went back in time they also changed into black and forms
of themselves so to use this as an example isn't an example of character
comparision error.

[Nikkikuh]

I dunno why but Aqua looks like Riku XD;;;

a lot of people said Riku would represent Terra but...I dunno <.<;;

About Ven, well Nomura did say that he has something to do with Roxas :0
big hint big hint big hiiiiinttttt

[RXS]

well tehyre name meanings match

and i do think namine was based mostly off of sora and not kairi and thats why she had such a strong conneciton to him in CoM and KHII

[Nikkikuh]

Yea that thing with Namine, its odd, sometimes I feel as like Kairi isn't a "whole" herself

I feel like Namine and Kairi are two halves of one person that wasn't introduced yet
just a thought ^^;;;

[vanilla bear]

well maybe people have another form of them.. they have a heartless, a nobody, and something else.. an another? maybe this is where the anagrams start to mean something... is it possible xehanort is an another himself? it could be that ven, aqua and terra are all anothers.. just a thought

[D.A.]

i think theres a new enemy called endless and ven maybe is sora'
s

[lionsbarrage]

Well your theory isn't based off gaps so to say. More like reasonable
doubt which makes your theory reasonable. As for nobodies having no souls
I'm am not convinced but I see who such a component may not be necessary
if the soul of the body could be replaced by a dark force (though in my mind it
goes against my idea of what a nobody is supposed to be)

As for Sora not looking like Roxas, in my theory I state how Roxas is Ven's body
meeting Sora's appearence halfway which explains how Namine is Sora's body
meeting Kairi's appearence halfway. It is never clearly stated that Roxas and Sora
look alike though it is implied. I guess what I'm saying that many interpretations
could exist about their similarity yet non can relay be supported by concrete fact.

As for Pete, they thought that the past Pete was the present Pete because when
Sora, Donald, and Goofy went back in time they also changed into black and forms
of themselves so to use this as an example isn't an example of character
comparision error.

Well its true i dont base my thoerys on gaps sorta say, but for my thoeries i looke up for naything that may contradict it, in some matter, but like u said there is no concrete fact for stuff that may be interpreted in many ways.

I mean for Ven meeting halfways with Sora, well as far as look go, that is not halfway if u ask me lol, nor would i really say for Namine and Kairi either, but of course looks are the least of it.

As for the pete it is a comparison error, maybe not at the beginning but throught the story in it, u notice that Sora and co see both petes while they were in timeless river, and as both petes run by he still cant distinuguish them merly by looks, only by how they acted.

I wish though we would get to see more nobodies as their orignal selves, other than the 3 we know, maybe it would give us a little more info.

AS for some dark force sustaining a nobody, well im not sure but a nobody must contain som sort of dark esense in them, otherwise why would yen sid they are nothing more than shells destined to return to darkness. That part in coherance with a nobody still raises questions.

[Key of Valor]

Nobodies have unique propperties because they are not a essence of light.
All living things are the essence of light, even Heartless to a darker extent.
A nobody's composition has no light and therefore no shadow. The absense
of light is a state of darkness different from a shadow. Its propperties come
from no source and this is what I believe is ment when one says a nobody
is nothing and they shouldn't exist.

I recentlay developed a theory on this state of darkness and now believe
that understanding this is the key to what the new enemy is as well as what
Master Xehanort may be as well. Darkness not cast by the shadow of light.
Thus I call it Shade. I believe the new enemy shall be called thus, though
I realize that based off soley a theory as such it is difficult to guess its name
let alone its state of being.

I really wish they would finally release a picture or hint or something.

[lionsbarrage]

We;; that who first paragraph is merly specualtion of course, but wha we do know is that there is light and darkness, and everything that exists in the world today is made by either or by both. Each has its own unique properties.

As far as nobodies go, what makes them different from regualr people, by this i mean the ones that take human form, Asside from having no heart what makes there existence any different, other than not going thru being born and growin up. We know a body without a soul cant exist but we never do find out if nobodies have one or not. If they were to exist without one iits prolly best described as they should nt be able to exist.

We ve have seen pure light and pure darkness, the7 princesses have no darkness in their heart so they are the only pure of light, as for the darkness well maybe its degreee where heartless were essentially born of peoples who have lost their hearts to darkness. But what kind of being would pure darkness be?

It seems to me everything in BBs has a connection to something in the present, but what about those new enemies, if they existed then why do we see none now? It also questions why were there no heartless? Myabe the enemies in BBS were pure darkness and with by merginin with a human heart or consuming it, they turn into a heartless.

[Xuan]

Lately I'm getting lazy on reading long and detailed replies like you guys. Better train up my mind away from holiday mood, at least for this few days...

[D.A.]

Lately I'm getting lazy on reading long and detailed replies like you guys. Better train up my mind away from holiday mood, at least for this few days...
that is true:)

[lionsbarrage]

well, thtas what thoeires are, especially when its a good subject to dwell upon while waiting.

[D.A.]

that is true too