The New Enemy Symbol

[Unkown-Aelix]

Just lookin' around on KHinsider and saw this. Reminds me of when we saw the nobody symbol on the head of the big silver guy BHK had to fight.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/Aelix-_-/EndlessSymbol.jpg
I tried to re-make an easier-to-see version of it, so there ya' go.





I hope this hasn't already been posted....

[Number13Roxas]

Interesting,this is a very good find.I always thought they looked too different to be heartless,unless its some kind of earlier symbol they had and then they evolved over time.

[ace king]

I don't see it.

[Unkown-Aelix]

I pointed it out very cleary, even tried to draw it. Did you see the first post?

[Number13Roxas]

I don't see it.

Are you blind? Its right there in completly open sight.

[Sora7790]

wat KH game was this from very nice find by the way

[Number13Roxas]

wat KH game was this from very nice find by the way

The new Birth by Sleep which isn't out yet.

[khveteranXIII]

Wow. O-o I'm Impressed. Maybe these are Souless? (come on Heartless, Bodyless, why not?)

[khveteranXIII]

BTW: Bodyless as in Nobodies..they don't exist so therefore their bodies technically they're Bodyless.

[darkheart4ever]

umm kind of like thos annoying floating darkballs...

[VenFan]

Very nice find. So this is Ven in combat, huh? Good job!

[Valitrex]

Wow. O-o I'm Impressed. Maybe these are Souless? (come on Heartless, Bodyless, why not?)
probably Chasers

[darkheart4ever]

we don't know anything ahhh....

[Tyas]

Just lookin' around on KHinsider and saw this. Reminds me of when we saw the nobody symbol on the head of the big silver guy BHK had to fight.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/Aelix-_-/EndlessSymbol.jpg
I tried to re-make an easier-to-see version of it, so there ya' go.





I hope this hasn't already been posted....

Nope it hasnt been posted...
I wonder why the symbol is shaped like an hour glass...not just one , but two if you count the one that lying on its side at the top. the big one my not have a bottom but it resimlbes an hour glass.

[darkheart4ever]

that's still an interesting little symbol still pondering it's meaning..

[Tyas]

Haha there's no freakin' way were going to figure that out.lol It could mean anything.

[darkheart4ever]

well most symbols come from some sort of earlier symbol so i'll look into that...

[Tyas]

Good luck with that.

[darkheart4ever]

u know what be cool but probably isn't true

if the hourglass represented the amount of time b4 the creature vanishes ....

[Unkown-Aelix]

yes yes YES!

Hourglass=time, and look at this: (copied from KHinsider, modified by me,)

Original Pic (link) (http://www.khinsider.com/13points.jpg)


Endless Symbol (http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/Aelix-_-/2endless.jpg)

I know Riku (on this forum, not the in game Riku) thinks its going to be endless.

and it would be in the right direction with the hourglass thing....

yay!

EDIT: it would also help if someone would boot up a finished game of KH2 and figure our who VII is. Wikipedia has failed me on that.

[one winged angel]

i do believe it is saix

[Number13Roxas]

yes yes YES!

Hourglass=time, and look at this: (copied from KHinsider, modified by me,)

Original Pic (link) (http://www.khinsider.com/13points.jpg)


Endless Symbol (http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/Aelix-_-/2endless.jpg)

I know Riku (on this forum, not the in game Riku) thinks its going to be endless.

and it would be in the right direction with the hourglass thing....

yay!

EDIT: it would also help if someone would boot up a finished game of KH2 and figure our who VII is. Wikipedia has failed me on that.

Its Saix

[Unkown-Aelix]

Endless Symbol (http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/Aelix-_-/2endless.jpg)


So what you guys think of this?

[darkheart4ever]

i feel like robert langdan deciefering these symbols..

[RXS]

i think thats an early heartless symbol, and it just changed when heartless were born, cause these things are what came BEFORE the heartless.

also, doesnt it look like Ven is using Roxas' keyblade? the one you get in kh2fm+?

[Unkown-Aelix]

The Roxas keyblade (http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/images/roxasbattlekeyblade.png)


Yea it does....interesting... could there be a conection? Has the connection between Ven and Roxas been explained yet?



It would certaintly be a lot eaiser if I could read Japanese.












OOO! OOO! Remember how (sorry new-people, i'm talking about before KH2 came out) we didn't know the Org. were Nobodies and real people? Well maybe Ven, Aqua, and that other guy are Endless!!

[The Real keyblade Master]

Awesome pictures. Never saw em before. Thanks

[NeoRoxas]

Endless Symbol (http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/Aelix-_-/2endless.jpg)


So what you guys think of this?

the english translation says "Can we do it? Against that?"

i zoomed in on it and read it

[The Real keyblade Master]

So they have the power of time???

[RXS]

welll i do think that ven aqua and terra arent the same as the new enemies. if they were, they wouldnt be FIGHTING them and the enemieswouldnt be fighting them.
idkk

[The Real keyblade Master]

welll i do think that ven aqua and terra arent the same as the new enemies. if they were, they wouldnt be FIGHTING them and the enemieswouldnt be fighting them.
idkk

Well Roxas was fighting nobodies.....when you were him in the beginning

[lonbilly]

But he had also betray the Organization by this time, so he was against the Nobodies now, so that maybe why he fought it, or it fought him.

[darkheart4ever]

with every new clue even more questions come in..

[Valitrex]

i feel like robert langdan deciefering these symbols..
lol, yeah maybe Nomura is trying to leave clues just like DaVinci

[The Real keyblade Master]

I doubt the symbols would be in the first kingdom hearts . He probably thought about it as he went or something

[The King of KH]

probably leaving clues. Ya Digg?...........................

[lonbilly]

probably leaving clues. Ya Digg?...........................

Yes we dig..................I think its an enemy that wasn't seen in any of the others because it may be sleeping, and will return in KH3, or exstict, or sealed away..................

[barrY !]

yes yes YES!

Hourglass=time, and look at this: (copied from KHinsider, modified by me,)

Original Pic (link) (http://www.khinsider.com/13points.jpg)


Endless Symbol (http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/Aelix-_-/2endless.jpg)

I know Riku (on this forum, not the in game Riku) thinks its going to be endless.

and it would be in the right direction with the hourglass thing....

yay!



A hourglass in an horizontal position right? Well, if a hourglass is in that position, time indeed doesn't pass, since no sand would fall... that would mean Eternity (so, Endless could be a proper name). This would explain the hourglass in the horizontal position, now, the rest of the symbol I have no idea, but I'll look into it more, and see what I can come up with.

EDIT: It may be a wild guess, but the rest of the symbol could mean a "bending" as in bending the time (by bending time, you don't age - you've achieved Eternity). Although I've seen this symbol before (in The Legend of Zelda - Phantom Hourglass)... it could be a symbol with universal meaning. I don't know how to begin a search from a picture, if somebody does, it would be appreciated to post the results here.

[Chaser's Apprentice]

A hourglass in an horizontal position right? Well, if a hourglass is in that position, time indeed doesn't pass, since no sand would fall... that would mean Eternity (so, Endless could be a proper name). This would explain the hourglass in the horizontal position, now, the rest of the symbol I have no idea, but I'll look into it more, and see what I can come up with.

EDIT: It may be a wild guess, but the rest of the symbol could mean a "bending" as in bending the time (by bending time, you don't age - you've achieved Eternity). Although I've seen this symbol before (in The Legend of Zelda - Phantom Hourglass)... it could be a symbol with universal meaning. I don't know how to begin a search from a picture, if somebody does, it would be appreciated to post the results here.

Ooooohh! =O, Kewlness! Thar is so kewl! (>w<),
I like the part...>.>, Wit the horizontal hourglass and stuuuuff! ^^, yeea! *Is Fabulous*
Bu' the bottem o' the BIG hourglass is gone! D: So maybe it's time disappearing? I DUN KNO! >__<;;;
:] Or actuallyy: "Endless" is in th' top o' the hourglass, so it goes tew the broken bottem and...Is gone? =]
'<GOEZ DEMYX, LUXORD, AND THE HOUSE TEAM>'

[TheOriginalKeyblademaster]

That id br real hard if they could stop time and hit u

[Riku-Sora]

Looks interesting. They kinda look like heartless in a way and somewhat look like Nobodies as well.

Nice find.

[darkheart4ever]

A hourglass in an horizontal position right? Well, if a hourglass is in that position, time indeed doesn't pass, since no sand would fall... that would mean Eternity (so, Endless could be a proper name). This would explain the hourglass in the horizontal position, now, the rest of the symbol I have no idea, but I'll look into it more, and see what I can come up with.

EDIT: It may be a wild guess, but the rest of the symbol could mean a "bending" as in bending the time (by bending time, you don't age - you've achieved Eternity). Although I've seen this symbol before (in The Legend of Zelda - Phantom Hourglass)... it could be a symbol with universal meaning. I don't know how to begin a search from a picture, if somebody does, it would be appreciated to post the results here.

they exist in all times but maybe they can be sealed away...

[SoraRoxas285]

hey nice one. More mysteries, haha souless? i forgot who came up with that idea. but um. i remember i was in the topic of it ^_^

[darkheart4ever]

souless endless one in the same..

[SoraRoxas285]

Souless, Bodyless, Heartless, and Nobodies, Thats something. But i think it will just be. Souless, Heartless and Nobodies.

[darkheart4ever]

umm..

look up souless
and endless

in different languages..

[SoraRoxas285]

OMG good idea!

[TheOriginalKeyblademaster]

The heartless have hearts the nobodies have bodys and souls
(says in the ansem reports in kh2) so these must have minds

[darkheart4ever]

mindless..

[SoraRoxas285]

So weird now... hahaha

[darkheart4ever]

mindless..

[Ventus The Wind]

It looks like the original heartless symbol at an odd angle to me.

[SoraRoxas285]

oooh ya maybe your right since the heartless and the nobodies have different ways of showing themselves especiall since there are different types of them. So yeahhh nice picture though haha

[darkheart4ever]

they are so many possibilities..

[khveteranXIII]

hey nice one. More mysteries, haha souless? i forgot who came up with that idea. but um. i remember i was in the topic of it ^_^

I came up with it, and hey! I was close.

So Endless, eh?

Immortal.....heh, what are these guys search for? Death? How Emo, lol.

[SoraRoxas285]

I came up with it, and hey! I was close.

So Endless, eh?

Immortal.....heh, what are these guys search for? Death? How Emo, lol.

OOOh ya i remember now! hahhaa. i still like your idea more. Souless is the best idea ever literally..

[vinzone]

sounds interesting but for me its a mess like thing... just kidding.....

[khveteranXIII]

OOOh ya i remember now! hahhaa. i still like your idea more. Souless is the best idea ever literally..

Heh, I'm here to Theorize after all.

[darkheart4ever]

what's wierd is their isn't a crossroads mark init or is there??

[darkheart4ever]

hmm..

[Ventus The Wind]

yes yes YES!

Hourglass=time, and look at this: (copied from KHinsider, modified by me,)

Original Pic (link) (http://www.khinsider.com/13points.jpg)


Endless Symbol (http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/Aelix-_-/2endless.jpg)

I know Riku (on this forum, not the in game Riku) thinks its going to be endless.

and it would be in the right direction with the hourglass thing....

yay!

EDIT: it would also help if someone would boot up a finished game of KH2 and figure our who VII is. Wikipedia has failed me on that.

It's Larxene.

An hourglass on it's side resembles infinity.

[darkheart4ever]

wel it's sort of obv that the hourglass represents time but the reason for that

and it's ourpose is still a mystery..

[Warrior of Light]

I think it's pretty appearent that it will be endless. Esp. since Deep Dive, and Another Side Another Story use the word Endless, but also reference that there were 3 enemies. Heartless 1 (not actully said, but implied), Endless 2 (also not said, but also implied), and Nobody 3 (actully said this.) The evidence is overwhelming.

[Xuan]

I think I know what the creatures truly are. I'll post up a theory if I have time (Or if I have the will to work :P)

But, lemme give a hint and clue first: Nomura has said that there has not been any Heartless ten years ago until Ansem made his discovery.

Smart dudes and duddies should understand after reading this.

[darkheart4ever]

bec he created the first heartless..

[Sora the Explorer]

what will the new symbol stand for... it shouldnt be tied to nobodies or heartless because that would be unoriginal... the japanese will think of something, they have no souls
(south park)

[darkheart4ever]

mindless...:D :D

[Sora the Explorer]

it looks almost like an hourglass

[darkheart4ever]

yeah i think we've already established that..

[Naminette]

Really interesting......... Thankies for the find! Now I'm more excited! ^^

[darkheart4ever]

yeah yur welcome..

[Cathedral_stowaway]

Ok, so how's this supposed to work? Do you describe as best you can a symbol that would go on the new baddies? Well, of course, it must be a heart-shaped logo. Can someone work on a sketch of one and then photoscan it to their computer and put it on here.

[lonbilly]

I still think that these 'new' enemies are ENDLESS, as a word shown in the KH Secret Ending along with HEARTLESS and NOBODY. Also, to further prove my theory, the symbol looks like a hourglass, but with no bottom, there for making it bottomless=endless.

[ShadowFire]

Heaps good find, you should get a gold star for that.

[darkheart4ever]

so dull..

[KH2 Mikoto]

Wow. I totally missed looking at that! I figured they were just more Nobodies.
Wonder what they'll be called. =\
lol the Soulless?

[The King of KH]

Very interesting symbol.................

[Blackmagic23]

could this be a new hybrid? or could this be the artificial Heartless...? a very intriguing find :sorahmm:.....

[Twilight_Riku]

Good impression of what the symbol looks like it looks similar to me. I can't imagine what the new enemies are because the heartless don't exist around the time of this game and so nobodies can't exist either. In the pictures they have similar appearences to heartless and yet they look all bendy and flexible how the nobodies moved pretty cool.

[darkheart4ever]

could this be a new hybrid? or could this be the artificial Heartless...? a very intriguing find :sorahmm:.....

artificial heartless are created and are branded with the pic above..

[Keybladewarrior69]

good find and i think its an od type of enemy before KH1 that just dies out of we havn't seen them yet.

[darkheart4ever]

maybe they were all killed or locked way...

[Isshin_Kurosaki21]

yo that looks like an infinity sign fused into the shape of a heart with a weird shaped X around it...

[_Axel_]

Wow thats awesome dude. Had to take the time to compliment u even tho my comps messing up and it took like 15mins to load the page at 1:30 in the morning when i have exams coming up lol. Really good work.

[Isshin_Kurosaki21]

hmm...why introduce these bad guys now?...were these the enemies before there were heartless and nobodies?...:confused:

[_Axel_]

You probably end up defeating them at the end of the game thats why. Maybe they're the old dudes minions?

[Ventus]

Just lookin' around on KHinsider and saw this. Reminds me of when we saw the nobody symbol on the head of the big silver guy BHK had to fight.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/Aelix-_-/EndlessSymbol.jpg
I tried to re-make an easier-to-see version of it, so there ya' go.





I hope this hasn't already been posted....
Good work with this find lol. :D

[Graxdon]

I doubt the symbols would be in the first kingdom hearts . He probably thought about it as he went or something

dude, you would know nomura hasn't made it up as he went if you paid attention, no offense. In KH1 on the main menu, title page thing if you leave it alone a video thing comes on and the paragraphs that come up are from kairi's letter to sora in KH2. to quote peter pan, "oh the cleverness of me!"

[Key of Valor]

Well it was said that near the end of KH1 development, the staff
already had the main idea of the story in KH2 but it's easy to
question wether Nomura really thought about the back story
in a great extent. I think it even says in an interview that
Nomura came up with the idea of KH:Coded when he was
drunk. (It's funny cause it's true and no one is surprised)

[Graxdon]

look, alot (and i mean [B]ALOT[B]) of what appears in the secret ending from both KH1 and KHFM1 is stuff that characters say in KH2, so once again (not to sound arogant) "Oh the cleverness of me."

[_Axel_]

I thought everybody knew that he already had the idea for KH2 when they finished the first game? They just wanted to see how the sales whent first.

[Virgo827]

Hey this might be wrong but i think they kinda gave us a clue that there was going to be a new enemy because if you look at the table in the mansion Otwiligh town you see there is one big circle with three smaller sized circles. One with the nobdy symbol, another with the heartless symbol and a new symbol.


Well thats my tought.

edit: If you have the kh2 stragety guide book look on page 140 and left hand coorner next to the scar is the pictur that im talling about.

[lionsbarrage]

many people seem to get this same idea, but in fact the symbol he draws is the crown symbol which we mostly think its of light, as its the same as Sora wears on his necklace.

[darkheart4ever]

yeah because the two symbols next to it were the heartless enzigna and the nobody symbol


is it possible for the "new" symbol to be a combination of three because to me every time i look at them i begin to piece to together certain similarites between them..:cool:

[Axero]

the new symbol is sorta like a heart inside a crown or something... is pretty cool actually

[Warrior of Light]

It looks to me like a combo of hourglasses.

[SoraTheNobody]

that's cool. :D

[piperka]

Goood find there that is the enemy ay? i thought they wouldve made the heartless and nobodies work together to go against sora but this better so at least he has some new enemies to deal with n hopefully they come out with good looking bosses with them.

[lionsbarrage]

this is 10 years before KH1, it doesnt invovlve Sora and the heartless and nobodies are supposed to be around.

[Unkown-Aelix]

good point, maybe the only enemy 10 years ago to fight were the evil keyblade masters?

[lionsbarrage]

well aside from the unrbiths, theres of course disnemy villans, and MXH and DS, but im sure theres others, kept in secret.

[piperka]

yeah the unbirths so that is what they are called icant wait or the game to come out and see them n see the new characters that are going to be on the game.

[KingdomKnight000]

Interesting..
Unbirths.. .... I hope they tweak the name smidge..

[piperka]

the unbirths is a good name for the bad guys why should they change it? they had the the heartless, the nobodies and now the unbirths its catchy.

[ultima207]

lol the unbirhts..that is kind of catchy

[TheLordOfTheUnbirth]

i like the name and i like the title i hope they do somthing kool with them it sux that their was no secret hint as to what the were in fm+ like with the nobodies in the first FM

[khveteranXIII]

What-What-What?!
Unbirths?!
I've been gone WAY too long, What's Happened?!

[Key of Valor]

The enemies were revealed to be called Unbirths during
that one event I can't seem to spell (some time near 8-2-08)

While discussing new info, you might be interested to hear
that Number XIV also has been named. Her name being Xion.

You might want to go to the news section and look at the
interviews, scans, and other translations.

[khveteranXIII]

The enemies were revealed to be called Unbirths during
that one event I can't seem to spell (some time near 8-2-08)

While discussing new info, you might be interested to hear
that Number XIV also has been named. Her name being Xion.

You might want to go to the news section and look at the
interviews, scans, and other translations.

Thks, Xion, huh? Well, Nomura's got a strange taste in names: First an anagram of Mansex, and now a Warrior Princess? This just keeps getting better. lol

[lionsbarrage]

the anagram is of Ansem, as im sure u know. And the warrior princess is Xena. EVen if they were jokes i wouldnt say there good ones.

[piperka]

Yer exactly does anybody have a pic of this new chik in the organisation???

[wesonewee]

There can't be a souless, in ansems report in kh2, he clearly states when a body is taken by a heartless, the body's heart makes a heartless, the sould and the body makes a nobody.

Why does kingdom hearts keep on destroying the information they've put in the other games?:mad:

The new chick in the orginisation is one of ansems students, my friend and I looked through the reports (that's where I saw the body, soul and heart thing), but we figured out all of ansem the wise's old students, they all had an X added into their name and a bit more maybe, were: Even (Vexen), Xenhort (Xemnas), Eleaus (Lexeuas), Dilan ( Xaldin)
Ienzo ( Zexion) Bleig is the unkown follower of ansem the wise, and the new orginisation member, some pople say Xigbar is ansem's old aprrentice, but his name is turned in to braig, but it obviously sais bleig in the ansem report # 5. There can't be any unbirths either, the sould and body go into a nobody, and the heart goes into a heartless, there is nothing left.

[lionsbarrage]

There can't be a souless, in ansems report in kh2, he clearly states when a body is taken by a heartless, the body's heart makes a heartless, the sould and the body makes a nobody.

Why does kingdom hearts keep on destroying the information they've put in the other games?:mad:

The new chick in the orginisation is one of ansems students, my friend and I looked through the reports (that's where I saw the body, soul and heart thing), but we figured out all of ansem the wise's old students, they all had an X added into their name and a bit more maybe, were: Even (Vexen), Xenhort (Xemnas), Eleaus (Lexeuas), Dilan ( Xaldin)
Ienzo ( Zexion) Bleig is the unkown follower of ansem the wise, and the new orginisation member, some pople say Xigbar is ansem's old aprrentice, but his name is turned in to braig, but it obviously sais bleig in the ansem report # 5. There can't be any unbirths either, the sould and body go into a nobody, and the heart goes into a heartless, there is nothing left.

Theres a misguided info u have in there. Blaig is a typo, it actually was supposed to say Briag, and from what i recall they messed up on Eleaus as well. BUt point is Ansem only had 6 apprentices, all who became the first 6 nobodies. Xion is still a myserty. Lastly the Soul thing can be misguided as well. WE talked over this subject and about the reports.

The reports can be misinterpreted at times or not taken fully. Examples being that Ansem makes hypothesis in som of his ideas. And a hypothesis may not always be true. Also He states of what happens to the body and soul when the heart becomes a heartless. A human (somebody) when the soul leaves the body, the person dies. But the same was never said about a nobody. Much like a heartless, a nobody has the chance to exist without a soul, meaning the soul can be more important and can possibly branch of to something else. I used to think the same for the enemy in BBS being of soul, well i dont think thats the exact case anymore. i still see where the soul doesnt have to be in conjunction with a nobody.

[piperka]

i see where lionbarrage is coming from it is true about the infomation if i recall.

[kairi namine]

thats a cool symbol i can't wait for bbs.

[Hades Noctis]

Here is a nice link I have, true or not I don't know since its a wiki but maybe some of you can get some good theory's out of it :).

http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Unbirth

Enjoy!

[khrules]

Wow. O-o I'm Impressed. Maybe these are Souless? (come on Heartless, Bodyless, why not?)

i think they are called unbirths

[cfreddy10]

this is very interesting

[King-Mickey]

Interesting, good find.