Governmental Conspiracy

[Axizol]

What do you think of the theory? are the random people true when they say that the government hates us and just wants our money, or do they actually care?

[Kryptik]

What do you think of the theory? are the random people true when they say that the government hates us and just wants our money, or do they actually care?

I think I already started A thread about this. Let me go find it..Well it's close anyways..

Government Spying Conspiracy (http://kingdomhearts3.org/showthread.php?t=7723)

[Shadow's Destiny 42]

What do you think of the theory? are the random people true when they say that the government hates us and just wants our money, or do they actually care?

I believe some people want to take our money.
But then some, want to help us.

Hey, I heard a wild theory...

The Government is not actually ran by the 3 branches thingies...
It is ran by secret groups.
Or that secret societies have more of an impact on the government than we know.

It's all in a book by Sylvia Browne.
I want to read it,

[Riku-Sora]

I believe there are secret areas of the government that is not public.

Thinking of this thread makes me think of Area 51.

I bet that ties in with secret government groups.

[Kryptik]

I believe there are secret areas of the government that is not public.

Thinking of this thread makes me think of Area 51.

I bet that ties in with secret government groups.
To Riku-Sora's comment about Area 51 there is a forum for that as well.

Area 51 Debate (http://www.kingdomhearts3.org/showthread.php?t=14537&page=2)

I believe there's quite a lot of things that the government hides. Whether for their own safety, ours, or just afraid of what might happen if leaked.

[Riku-Sora]

To Riku-Sora's comment about Area 51 there is a forum for that as well.

Area 51 Debate (http://www.kingdomhearts3.org/showthread.php?t=14537&page=2)

I believe there's quite a lot of things that the government hides. Whether for their own safety, ours, or just afraid of what might happen if leaked.

I know. I created that thread. I was just mentioning it since it would have some relations.

[Kryptik]

I know. I created that thread. I was just mentioning it since it would have some relations.

I just thought it was helpful to people who wanted to comment on it if it was on their minds. Yeah I saw that much. It does have a lot of relations with the government considering they are trying to erase quite a lot of history that we might not be aware of yet. Just like Bush with held information about 9/11 incident and some other things. I still remember seeing on Television about the Cuban Missile Crisis when it was actually happening. The government tried hiding that one and failed at it. I wonder how much information Bush is hiding now.

[Riku-Sora]

I just thought it was helpful to people who wanted to comment on it if it was on their minds. Yeah I saw that much. It does have a lot of relations with the government considering they are trying to erase quite a lot of history that we might not be aware of yet. Just like Bush with held information about 9/11 incident and some other things. I still remember seeing on Television about the Cuban Missile Crisis when it was actually happening. The government tried hiding that one and failed at it. I wonder how much information Bush is hiding now.

Remember the movie National Treasure. I mean both of them.

I think the movies tells the truth in a sense, not actual, about how much is hidden from the public.

Sometimes hiding stuff can cause bigger problems down the line.

[vanilla bear]

any of you guys ever see "loose change"? it's an amazing documentary about the 9/11 attacks.. really fascinating stuff if you're into conspiracies.. just look it up on google video

[Kryptik]

any of you guys ever see "loose change"? it's an amazing documentary about the 9/11 attacks.. really fascinating stuff if you're into conspiracies.. just look it up on google video

Actually no I haven't.

Remember the movie National Treasure. I mean both of them.

I think the movies tells the truth in a sense, not actual, about how much is hidden from the public.

Sometimes hiding stuff can cause bigger problems down the line.

Well I've only seen some previews about those movies. However I do think you have an excellent point there. There are a lot of truths about the underground and whats missing and what could possibly be discovered in such cases.

[Ashen Lionheart]

The eighteenth century saw the rise and fall of an organization called the German Illuminati. These were an enigmatic cult of power-hungry people who sought to take over the world without even letting the world know. They believed in forcing athiesm onto people (believing that religion inherently caused conflict) and that all mankind should forget themselves individually and become part of The One, a group of people who sacrificed their individuality and freedom to become part of a greater whole. They believed that most people were too unintelligent and misinformed to see the logic in this on their own, and so must have these "truths" forced on them by the governments on the world, which in turn would be secretly manipulated by the Illuminati.

That, at least, is the rhetoric given to the first level intitiates. Fully inititaed Illumitists regularly indulged in carnal pleasures they believed the lesser masses were not worthy of, in direct contradiction to some of their fundamental beliefs concerning The One. Ultimately, the goal of these Illumitists was nothing other than enslaving all mankind so that a few dozen rulers could be fabulously wealthy beyond all reason.

But in the late seventeen-hundreds, the people of the world caught on, and there was a purge throughout Europe of the Illuminati, in which all known Illumitists were found and killed. The Illuminati had its back broken. But was it killed completely? We can't be sure. We know that several smaller cells throughout Europe escaped destruction and continued to operate for some time, and may in fact be operating to this day. Due to the nature of their beliefs concerning The One, these cells would no doubt rejoin with any other cells very soon after making contact. It is possible the Illuminati still operates today.

And what are the tools of the Illuminatis conquest? Since we do not even know for sure if the Illuminati still exists, we can't be sure, but here are some likely candidates.

First, the erosion of the family unit. Whatever you think about the concept of the nuclear family, it definitely develops a bond of loyalty between its members. According to the theory of The One, however, no one can value another person more than another, and no one can owe loyalty to anyone except the local Illumitist leader. Thus, getting rid of family ties, and, through this, the family at large, will be one of the Illumitists first objectives.

Second, instilling in people the belief that giving money or resources to others does them good. It does no such thing. It makes such people dependent upon you to provide the resources, effectively enslaving you. What will liberate someone is to give them income, a method of gaining money on their own. But that would mean giving someone independence and freedom, both of which are the antithesis to the concept of The One, in which everyone must be totally dependent upon the "brain" of The One.

Third, dissolving national boundaries and destroying or circumventing democratic governments. So long as there are nations, people may consider themselves loyal to a nation before they are loyal to the Illumitists. And a democratic government will allow the people, even if only the majority, to make decisions. Instead, the Illuminati seek to circumvent governments through organizations like the UN and NAFTA, which are run by beaurecrats and which could theoretically pass laws which would, for example, be able to bypass completely the three branches of government.

If such an organization exists, the only thing we have to do to defeat is refuse to give up our freedoms. Refuse to give the UN the power to make our laws for us. Refuse to allow our poor citizens to become dependent on government hand-outs with no hope of a real future. Refuse to give in to addictions like drugs or alcohol which, monopolized by an Illumitist front-organization, could enslave us to their will.

And most of all, never stop making your own decisions. Never let anyone, no matter who it is, do your thinking for you.

[RXS]

i totally believe in conspiracies.
theere is always that one person who wants control and goes to any lengths to get it
that, in turn, sets off a chain of events taht cause conspiracies and the government to hide stuff from the public.

[khveteranXIII]

I personally believe in some conspiracies. However, there are some that are too utterly ridiculous to even consider.

And if the gov cared, gas would still be .50 a gallon.

[Ashen Lionheart]

Well, this sounds entertaining.

Tell me, how could the government intervene and make gas prices drop without fixing prices and destroying the free market which, by the way, is one of the principles America happens to be founded on?

[Xykru]

What do you think of the theory? are the random people true when they say that the government hates us and just wants our money, or do they actually care?

*smites with patriot powers* never! No way, not possable. Country cares, always shall. Why else will our military fight for us? Hmmm? Why else would we strick back when attacked? Our country is to protect our citizens. Always and forever.

[Axizol]

psh... conformist... >.>
XD

anyways, i do beleive in conspiracies. The government hides a lot from us covering their own tail.

[Riku-Sora]

psh... conformist... >.>
XD

anyways, i do beleive in conspiracies. The government hides a lot from us covering their own tail.

Of course. There are always money people hear about going into top secret projects and even when we do hear about them we don't understand why they are wasting money on what they are doing in the first place.

[Rui]

*smites with patriot powers* never! No way, not possable. Country cares, always shall. Why else will our military fight for us? Hmmm? Why else would we strick back when attacked? Our country is to protect our citizens. Always and forever.

Ah, but remember, the US military is volunteer-based. The individual ordinary citizens may care, but I think the main worrying point would be the higher-ups, the people sending those troops out. Can we honestly trust the president, his cabinet, and anyone else associating with the people making the laws and steering the country in whatever direction they choose?

Every government in the world is hiding things from its citizens, some moreso than others. And, in some instances, I believe it's reasonable to assume that the person you believe that you elected is just a figurehead, and the real people in charge are a bunch of fat businessmen smoking cigars, drinking vodka, and plotting who to take out next.

However, since we do not know everything, we cannot just assume. One cannot go claiming that the Queen of England is a lizard just because they read it in some book written by a guy who belongs in an insane asylum. You need evidence to back assumptions up, and evidence to back that evidence up, and it should all come from a reliable source. You can't base your opinions off of pop culture and what the loony on the street corner tells you. So, yeah, stop believing in the da Vinci Code and National Treasure. Pulp fiction and family-friendly adventuring in teh case of the latter is all that they are.

Most of all, though, one should use common sense when judging these things. If, for example, you see a small, slow and single direction-moving set of lights in the sky, and a couple of them blinking, it's more likely a plane than the ZOMGOSH ALEEEINSSS!!!11eleventyone.

I, personally think that there are things that the government hides from us. I don't think it's just specifically to be mean, though. They're looking out for their own interests, and if it means crushing the weak and keeping them in the dark, so be it. Some could also be for public safety. Sure, people joke about aliens and all, but could you honestly believe that we'll not be scared out of our minds if it were suddenly revealed that they were real, for example? There'd be riots, mass suicides, and more. Chaos...

[Ashen Lionheart]

America is not a dictatorship. There is no one person who can factually say that they are the government. And given that our government is collectively run by about half a thousand people (and that's just the top rung), it's safe to say that not all of them have our best interests at heart, especially given that in order to get into power they must first want power, which is the first sign of a bad ruler.

[Xykru]

Ah, but remember, the US military is volunteer-based. The individual ordinary citizens may care, but I think the main worrying point would be the higher-ups, the people sending those troops out. Can we honestly trust the president, his cabinet, and anyone else associating with the people making the laws and steering the country in whatever direction they choose?

Every government in the world is hiding things from its citizens, some moreso than others. And, in some instances, I believe it's reasonable to assume that the person you believe that you elected is just a figurehead, and the real people in charge are a bunch of fat businessmen smoking cigars, drinking vodka, and plotting who to take out next.

However, since we do not know everything, we cannot just assume. One cannot go claiming that the Queen of England is a lizard just because they read it in some book written by a guy who belongs in an insane asylum. You need evidence to back assumptions up, and evidence to back that evidence up, and it should all come from a reliable source. You can't base your opinions off of pop culture and what the loony on the street corner tells you. So, yeah, stop believing in the da Vinci Code and National Treasure. Pulp fiction and family-friendly adventuring in teh case of the latter is all that they are.

Most of all, though, one should use common sense when judging these things. If, for example, you see a small, slow and single direction-moving set of lights in the sky, and a couple of them blinking, it's more likely a plane than the ZOMGOSH ALEEEINSSS!!!11eleventyone.

I, personally think that there are things that the government hides from us. I don't think it's just specifically to be mean, though. They're looking out for their own interests, and if it means crushing the weak and keeping them in the dark, so be it. Some could also be for public safety. Sure, people joke about aliens and all, but could you honestly believe that we'll not be scared out of our minds if it were suddenly revealed that they were real, for example? There'd be riots, mass suicides, and more. Chaos...

Yeah, of all people, I should have expected you to burst my bubble with the smart-ness! XD

You hold a valid point, but I must also say that we have a system of checks and balances, the Pres cannot just 'do as he wishes', the senate and stuff are there to keep things in the best interest of the country.

[Rui]

Yeah, of all people, I should have expected you to burst my bubble with the smart-ness! XD

You hold a valid point, but I must also say that we have a system of checks and balances, the Pres cannot just 'do as he wishes', the senate and stuff are there to keep things in the best interest of the country.

True, we do have checks and balances, but what good are they with the schoolyard politics and tactics that dominate the US political scene today? You see it on the news every day, with all that stuff like "I'm not signing that bill unless you add/remove funding for this," or the daily fights between senators and congressmen, dragging each other's names through the mud for things that don't really matter. Not to mention, a lot of the ones doing this are hypocrites. Larry Craig, for example, led the charge to impeach Clinton after his little affair with Monica Lewinski (sp?). Now look at the trouble he's in, with the bathroom sex scandal.

Now, for best interests, yes, some in Congress and the Senate, I believe, have the country's best interests at heart. However, their bills never get much attention from the media or other politicians, and they're forced to bend to party, peer, and public pressure. Often, what the former three want is not what the politcian want, and if they don't do a little sucking-up, they lose influence. Most of these people care only for themselves. Like I said earlier, they're not being mean, they're just putting themselves first.

And, let's not forget, that a lot of politicians lie through their teeth just to stay afloat. For example, Hillary Clinton just proomised to remove troops from Iraq within sixty days of taking office if elected. She could never do that so quickly, and I find it sad that people believe it.

[kyo]

(i don't know if this has been discussed yet)

The value of the US dollar is also decreasing

[Kryptik]

(i don't know if this has been discussed yet)

The value of the US dollar is also decreasing

Yeah that is true. People are becoming extremely greedy and want more than $1.00. They want hundreds,thousands and usually billions to be happy. Not to mention thats the value of people lives. Is that not important anymore?.