Dress codes/uniforms

[kyo]

Alright. This is a subject that I can go on and on about. I have little respect for school administrators that set dress codes or a uniform for a PUBLIC educational system.
My high school is a terrible school (the fact about my school is that they took the blueprints of a prison nearby, crossed out the word "prison" and wrote "high school").

My dress code is that a collared shirt must be worn at all times (so a button up [which I am fine with on most days] or a polo [not so fine, but can bear it]), belts MUST be worn if pants have belt loops, shirts MUST be tucked in (teachers get lazy around the middle of the 2nd quarter), and any logo/artwork/text/graphic must be smaller than 2x2 inches.

Teachers (or at least most) have been pretty lenient with some of these policies. I am constantly out of dress code. I am just really good at hiding it with a jacket (not hard at all).

Now there will be a new dress code for the school year next year; no blue jeans. only khaki pants. Now I am glad that I am graduating a year early. I don't have to deal with this shi-

thoughts?

[cbchick]

heey my school has to wear collard shirts too. T^T its kinda annoying cause i had to go and buy collard shirts and i hardly wear them. we can't even wear hoodies, little stylish jackets, or sweatpants. its stupid and i don't like it. ohh and if u get caught wearing any of those u either have to call ur mom and tell her to bring u some clothes or you'll be sent home, which btw is so dumb. i get away with wearing sweapants >.>

[Chaser's Apprentice]

HaHa. =PP, Y'all are funneh. Uhh. O//O; I don't have...D; Uniforms.
<3 <3 <3, We have dress code. =33, Like: Can't wear ripped jeans.
'<LUV DANNY NORIEGA AND THE HOUSE TEAM>'

[Rui]

I've never really seen the point in dress codes. What good do they serve? Schools argue on how it keeps a sense of order, and how it keeps the students uniform in apperance, and keeps them from being teased. I have yet to see a school with a strict dress code, like those that you've mentioned, that works.

The argument that it keeps students looking uniform is the most annoying, in my opinion. Wake up schools! No two students are exactly the same, even identical twins. And if it's to "protect" some of them... come on, people. I know from experience that kids can find things other than clothing to tease about.

However, there are some instances where a lighter dress code is a good idea. In my school, ideally, ultra-low and baggy pants are banned on guys, and girls should not have excessive cleavage and belly showing, and none of that "whale tail" fashion. I like that, and I wish it were enforced more, because I'm tired of sitting down and being able to see the girl's (and sometimes guy's) buttcrack. We're at school, not a brothel.

[Axel_Fire_Wheel]

isn't it bad enought that they make us all think alike, but now we all have to LOOK ALIKE!

[Nikkikuh]

I think uniforms are cute <.<

[Jess]

most schools in England have to wear uniforms (pretty much all of them), my school included. consider yourselves lucky with just 'dress codes', we have to wear the exact same clothes... it's kinda clone-ish. i dunno. i think you guys are lucky lol. ><

[darkheart4ever]

Alright. This is a subject that I can go on and on about. I have little respect for school administrators that set dress codes or a uniform for a PUBLIC educational system.
My high school is a terrible school (the fact about my school is that they took the blueprints of a prison nearby, crossed out the word "prison" and wrote "high school").

My dress code is that a collared shirt must be worn at all times (so a button up [which I am fine with on most days] or a polo [not so fine, but can bear it]), belts MUST be worn if pants have belt loops, shirts MUST be tucked in (teachers get lazy around the middle of the 2nd quarter), and any logo/artwork/text/graphic must be smaller than 2x2 inches.

Teachers (or at least most) have been pretty lenient with some of these policies. I am constantly out of dress code. I am just really good at hiding it with a jacket (not hard at all).

Now there will be a new dress code for the school year next year; no blue jeans. only khaki pants. Now I am glad that I am graduating a year early. I don't have to deal with this shi-

thoughts?


wow they actually measure the logo?

[VenFan]

My school doesn't have it. I'm kinda glad we don't, too. Kinda gives us freedom to wear whatever we want, so long as it isn't too baggy, skimpy, etc.

Then again, I don't really see the big deal in school uniforms. I mean, come on. They're just clothes you wear at school. :confused:

[Blazing]

Well for me I hate dress codes lol.

My old schools had us wear dress codes to keep down the fighting ( fighting over who has the best shoes or who got the new nike shoes, stealing fresh clothes and shoes out of lockers, stuff like that) and to keep down the gange related clothes like...gang colors ( bloods, krips..etc) But the dress code didn't slim then the fighting down very much at all.

these are some colors I had to wear

collared shirt or and pants: white and blue
collared shirt and pants: black and blue
collared shirt and pants: brown and yellow ( that was an ugly combo of 2 colors)

[darkheart4ever]

My school doesn't have it. I'm kinda glad we don't, too. Kinda gives us freedom to wear whatever we want, so long as it isn't too baggy, skimpy, etc.

Then again, I don't really see the big deal in school uniforms. I mean, come on. They're just clothes you wear at school. :confused:

Easy the type of clothes you wear signifies the type of person you are...
Dress codes are also meant to help mold your future style of dress for the buisness world that is soon to come...:cool:

[zeffie]

I certainly think that a dress code can be a good positive thing... I deal with a dress code at my work everyday.. and I have no issues with it.. I wear Khaki or black pants with a collar polo shirt. I find that it can be a positive influence, creating a sense of pride and ownership in what you do, as well as looking professional and showing that you are part of the business or just part of the community of people you are around, like in school.

It also sets a standard for people to follow and be mindful of. Dressing in a respectful manner also expresses a better looking and more involved person as viewed by others.. when they see you in dress clothes you convey a sense of attitude that can be positive even if you don't say anything. Presentation makes up a good portion of your life. Impressions and expressions.

[darkheart4ever]

Oh... Well, that's dumb!

Some people may see it as being negative, antiteen, to mold a teen into a succesful young adult, ect... But it's not all that bad all is it's meant to to do is make you ready for the world that is to come

for example in certain colleges, almost all jobs in the workforce
require some form of dress code...

and so they say dress to impress..

[Lone Wolf]

Well your lucky enough you can actually buy shirts yourself. Me on the other hand I have a uniform, and its right down uncomfotable, that plus it has to be tucked in.

We have to wear belts, even if it doesn't have the belt holder. Anyone found violating this code twice gets a detention.

The catch is, if we get caught like this 10 times in a semester, we have a recommendation for expulsion. Talk about tough, the school is also demandent of huge amounts of money, I don't even know why my mother keeps me here.

[khveteranXIII]

Alright. This is a subject that I can go on and on about. I have little respect for school administrators that set dress codes or a uniform for a PUBLIC educational system.
My high school is a terrible school (the fact about my school is that they took the blueprints of a prison nearby, crossed out the word "prison" and wrote "high school").

My dress code is that a collared shirt must be worn at all times (so a button up [which I am fine with on most days] or a polo [not so fine, but can bear it]), belts MUST be worn if pants have belt loops, shirts MUST be tucked in (teachers get lazy around the middle of the 2nd quarter), and any logo/artwork/text/graphic must be smaller than 2x2 inches.

Teachers (or at least most) have been pretty lenient with some of these policies. I am constantly out of dress code. I am just really good at hiding it with a jacket (not hard at all).

Now there will be a new dress code for the school year next year; no blue jeans. only khaki pants. Now I am glad that I am graduating a year early. I don't have to deal with this shi-

thoughts?

Do you live in north east Texas? cuz that's our dress code, only we had to wear khaki pants a year earlier than you.

Our principal (who won't be here next year, thank god.) thought it would help student morale.

And it doesn't d*mm*t! The people who were *ssholes last year are *ssholes this year!

[DragoonKain]

Simple facts:

* America has one of the most underperforming education systems of any modern/industrial nation.

* Part of today's youth culture (especially in poor or African American areas) being "educated" or "well behaved" is considered socially taboo. Acting like you "don't care" is cooler than acting like you give a damn about your education.

* Clothes are trending to being more trampy and stupid looking. 9 year old girls wear shirts that say "I like it rough" and guys wear pants that sag to their knees. I don't want to have instant verification as to what type of underwear other guys are wearing.

As someone who lives in today's world and has to work with people day in and day out who are dumber than BRICKS, any move to improve the discipline of our educational system gets my vote. Changing dress-codes to uniforms is not an all-powerful method for improvement, but it's a step towards fixing some inherant problems.

Take the psychological effects of wearing different clothing, for example. Go in one day wearing a torn up shirt and baggy pants, and go in the next day wearing a full suit. Usually, your behavior (if you act according to most studies) will likely change dramatically. That's because the representation you make of yourself behaviorially will usually change to fit what you appear physically. That is the holy grail schools are after: Change the mindset of their students by changing how they look at themselves. They don't want school to be viewed as another hangout, they want it to be viewed as school.

[Lone Wolf]

Good point, but I still think that changing what we wear will not affect our way of thinking.

We are what we are, and we will be through the rest of our lives. We're our naturally rebellious so any movement to limit our freedom of expression will spark a fire.

[khveteranXIII]

Simple facts:

* America has one of the most underperforming education systems of any modern/industrial nation.

* Part of today's youth culture (especially in poor or African American areas) being "educated" or "well behaved" is considered socially taboo. Acting like you "don't care" is cooler than acting like you give a damn about your education.

* Clothes are trending to being more trampy and stupid looking. 9 year old girls wear shirts that say "I like it rough" and guys wear pants that sag to their knees. I don't want to have instant verification as to what type of underwear other guys are wearing.

As someone who lives in today's world and has to work with people day in and day out who are dumber than BRICKS, any move to improve the discipline of our educational system gets my vote. Changing dress-codes to uniforms is not an all-powerful method for improvement, but it's a step towards fixing some inherant problems.

Take the psychological effects of wearing different clothing, for example. Go in one day wearing a torn up shirt and baggy pants, and go in the next day wearing a full suit. Usually, your behavior (if you act according to most studies) will likely change dramatically. That's because the representation you make of yourself behaviorially will usually change to fit what you appear physically. That is the holy grail schools are after: Change the mindset of their students by changing how they look at themselves. They don't want school to be viewed as another hangout, they want it to be viewed as school.

Basically what you've said here is "The suit makes the man".

I personally don't believe that unless you're in disguise. Like I said, in my school, no one's attitude's improved.

IMO, either the studies are wrong or we're just different or both.

Oh,and psychology's never worked on me, cuz listening to what a bunch of jack*sses say means giving up my mental freedom.

I'd rather be a rebel than a prisoner.

[DragoonKain]

Basically what you've said here is "The suit makes the man".

I personally don't believe that unless you're in disguise. Like I said, in my school, no one's attitude's improved.

IMO, either the studies are wrong or we're just different or both.

Oh,and psychology's never worked on me, cuz listening to what a bunch of jack*sses say means giving up my mental freedom.

I'd rather be a rebel than a prisoner.

Rebelliousness does not classify you as being unique. It just classifies you into a different group of people just like you. Cultural individuality is almost a naive concept: In most cases and for most people, it doesn't exist. By acting within society's cultural standards, you set yourself up for better success in life. Martyring yourself over individuality is pointless.

[xsxctiggax]

*Takes a deep breath* here goes...

Black blazer with Hele’s School badge (Year 7 pupils are required to wear gold braid on the sleeves and pocket-tops of their blazers)
Black Trousers: Plain 'Classic' style, straight leg obtainable from British Home Stores. NO cord, denim, studs, etc. Flared or bootleg trousers are not permitted.
Black skirt: A knee or mid-calf length skirt must be worn by all girls in Years 7-11. The skirt must allow for freedom of movement without a slit extending above the knee and should not be adorned with buttons, zips or belts.
White shirt blouse with buttons to the neck
Black and Yellow striped tie
Black or grey collarless cardigan or V-neck pullover which allows tie to show
Plain black or brown shoes of traditional style with low heels (trainers or boots are not permitted)
Natural or black tights, or black or white ankle socks
Black and amber or plain black school scarf
Plain outdoor coat (no large designer labels, slogans or logos).

PAH!!!! This is what my school put...i wont put the boys up cause its basically the same =/

[Jess]

*Takes a deep breath* here goes...

Black blazer with the school logo on the top pocket
White shirts [you know the fancy ones] top button done up
Tie, black and yellow stripey must be seven stripes long
Black trousers not denim
and Black or dark brown shoes...not boots

=/ i hate it...it sucks!

indeed, this is the normal English school uniform..
my school uniform is this:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39247000/jpg/_39247847_blue_203.jpg

cept now we have to wear black blazers too. :\

[DestinyHolder]

White blouse, tie, black or grey skirt of a decent length or black or grey tailored trousers, maroon blazer with school badge.
White socks or knee length socks and sensible black shoes.

ALL OF WHICH IS MARRON D:


fugly

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc276/BlueSocksx/page10_clip_image002.jpg

[HappyHeartless]

Well over here in Norway theres no such thing as dress codes, anyone can walk with anything they want (as long as they are not nude of course) and look however they want to look : > I personally wouldn't mind a dress code if the clothes looked ok, but honestly I find the idea that people should be forced to wear a certain type of clothes to get their education idiotic! What purpose can it possible serve?

[Rui]

Simple facts:

* America has one of the most underperforming education systems of any modern/industrial nation.

* Part of today's youth culture (especially in poor or African American areas) being "educated" or "well behaved" is considered socially taboo. Acting like you "don't care" is cooler than acting like you give a damn about your education.

* Clothes are trending to being more trampy and stupid looking. 9 year old girls wear shirts that say "I like it rough" and guys wear pants that sag to their knees. I don't want to have instant verification as to what type of underwear other guys are wearing.

As someone who lives in today's world and has to work with people day in and day out who are dumber than BRICKS, any move to improve the discipline of our educational system gets my vote. Changing dress-codes to uniforms is not an all-powerful method for improvement, but it's a step towards fixing some inherant problems.

Take the psychological effects of wearing different clothing, for example. Go in one day wearing a torn up shirt and baggy pants, and go in the next day wearing a full suit. Usually, your behavior (if you act according to most studies) will likely change dramatically. That's because the representation you make of yourself behaviorially will usually change to fit what you appear physically. That is the holy grail schools are after: Change the mindset of their students by changing how they look at themselves. They don't want school to be viewed as another hangout, they want it to be viewed as school.

You bring up a valid point, an to an extent, I think that requiring uniforms would be a way to go. However, there are plenty of students who are motivated and do well who don't wear uniforms. And, in schools where there are uniforms, there are slackers. Uniforms alone don't make a student perform well.

In a case like this, though not totally fair in some cases, I like Germany's approach. They drill it into their children's minds from nearly day one that it is necessary to do well in school. And, at a certain point, they sort the students into different types of schools that best meet their educational needs and abilities. Yes, their schools often require uniforms. However, note that uniforms aren't the only cause for their success. Maybe the US should take a similar approach.

For now, in cases such as my school, for example, I think it would be best to start requiring students to dress at least modestly. It does make some less focused on fashion and more on school, and it's less of a distraction.

I do have one last point that I would like to bring up. Affordability. What if neither the family or the school can afford to provide uniforms. I know that there's no way my school could afford such a thing for all the financial needs families in our district. Do the students just not go to school? My grandfather never went to high school because of such a reason.

[Jess]

See, in my school, which as I've said before, is a uniform school, it doesn't mean we're a good school. We've nearly been closed twice - at the moment we're on the "to be improved" list. uniforms are never worn correctly - ties are always loose, top/collar buttons undone, trousers/pants baggy. a lot of people come in with trainers/sneakers on, a lot of people don't bring their blazers (which are compulsary) - there's a very small majority of my school that DO wear their uniforms correctly. uniforms aren't really a good things, they're an uncomfortable nuisance.

[The King of KH]

My school is also a uniform school.And my school is really bad.One day, a girl said she's gonna bring a gun and kill everyone wearing blue (Crips and Bloods). We then had Police come and surround the school which was kinda sick. So if you're a uniform school, it doesnt mean you're a good school.

Anyway unifrom in school is very unnecessary. Some kids have 2 wear unifrom and they still dont. They go to place and get a 0 for every class. Uniform is so unnecessary....................................... .................

[UltimaxWeapon]

In my school there is not a really a dress code. In Middle School the girls couldn't wear any skirts that were below their knees but they jusy used leg warmers. theres not really anything for the guys though, except for no ripped jeans or ripped shorts (even though I did it anyway to piss off my teachers cause they thought I was a Punk). But once I got to High School there wasn't a dress code for anyone. I went to a school where I had to wear a uniform for like 2 years, but it was back in 2nd and 3rd grdae. I hated it cause it went against everything I stand for as far as clothes go.

[Azure]

.. Dress codes dont neccesarily mean that a student would behave better, but studies have shown that they help ambient the situation to a more learning situation.. plus they relieve people of the social competition that cloths can bring....

In other words, we dont get much of the "I am wearing something better than you, so I am cooler" attitude many have in several schools...

Where I live most schools have a mandatory uniform... and that does not make them into good schools, but I can notice that if the students could wear normal clothings the situation could be worse (or better... depends..?)

An example is that on days we get to wear normal clothing (COLOR DAYS...) most students are more energetic, and tend to pay less attention and socialize more... so it is an interesting idea that most schools link uniforms to a psychological control of the students...

[darkheart4ever]

Simple facts:

* America has one of the most underperforming education systems of any modern/industrial nation.

* Part of today's youth culture (especially in poor or African American areas) being "educated" or "well behaved" is considered socially taboo. Acting like you "don't care" is cooler than acting like you give a damn about your education.

* Clothes are trending to being more trampy and stupid looking. 9 year old girls wear shirts that say "I like it rough" and guys wear pants that sag to their knees. I don't want to have instant verification as to what type of underwear other guys are wearing.

As someone who lives in today's world and has to work with people day in and day out who are dumber than BRICKS, any move to improve the discipline of our educational system gets my vote. Changing dress-codes to uniforms is not an all-powerful method for improvement, but it's a step towards fixing some inherant problems.

Take the psychological effects of wearing different clothing, for example. Go in one day wearing a torn up shirt and baggy pants, and go in the next day wearing a full suit. Usually, your behavior (if you act according to most studies) will likely change dramatically. That's because the representation you make of yourself behaviorially will usually change to fit what you appear physically. That is the holy grail schools are after: Change the mindset of their students by changing how they look at themselves. They don't want school to be viewed as another hangout, they want it to be viewed as school.

DragoonKain awesome you obv think about what you say
and for me well i come up with replys that aren't as well thought out
and when i do think about what i'm saying i never like it./..:D

[kyo]

to those of you with actual uniforms, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry I was so ignorant and indifferent about the fact that I have actual variety. I can choose between polo or button up.

I'm sorry for being such an american by complaining and not taking into account that it may be worse for others.

Although my High school is taking a big step. Next school year khaki pants only. No blue jeans.

[Lone Wolf]

No need to apologize.

This is the way I saw my school's dress code grow, maybe not for the better.

[kyo]

dress codes suck in general. If they force us to wear a uniform in a school that someone PAYS to go to, then that's alright with me. If you're paying more for your education then you should have fewer distractions in the classroom.

But when you don't pay, I don't think that a strict dress code should interfere with the creative flow of classrooms.

[Deadeye]

my schools dress code consist of 300 limitations that aren't even checked so there just random letters

[Kryptik]

Well none of the schools I've went to had school uniforms. So some of us are unlucky or lucky enough to not have them. I'm just curious why the hell people care about how we dress? I mean there is a limit to how much you can show off carnage which makes sense but the constant similarity gets old fast. Not to mention people don't want to go to a school because of uniforms. It's like only they have the right to choose what we wear. Some of us don't like wearing what they give us to wear.

[The Nobody's Heartless]

to me
i think the school wants to present its self better
but some one could have a personal problem with the clothes

[Kawaii_love]

I got to a Catholic school and we wear uniforms.
I like the fact I don't have to try a billion things to find out what I want to wear for that day.
But I don't like the fact I can't express who I am and that.
Just plain white and navy blue everyday...
No colour!
Plus!
We can't have like crazy hair because it is a distraction...or that many piercings.
So there are some pros and cons to having a uniform.
But on the days we can wear normal clothing is where everyone loves it.
Only thing is we can't show so much skin, and I am not bothered by that.
I am almost done school.
I think I can live threw half a semester till I graduate. =D.

[khveteranXIII]

Rebelliousness does not classify you as being unique. It just classifies you into a different group of people just like you. Cultural individuality is almost a naive concept: In most cases and for most people, it doesn't exist. By acting within society's cultural standards, you set yourself up for better success in life. Martyring yourself over individuality is pointless.

"Pointless"? I don't consider sticking to my beliefs "pointless", and as I said before: the dress codes aren't helping my school's attitude. Oh and I'm not "most people", I'm a person and I'm f*cking proud of it.

[darkheart4ever]

I got to a Catholic school and we wear uniforms.
I like the fact I don't have to try a billion things to find out what I want to wear for that day.
But I don't like the fact I can't express who I am and that.
Just plain white and navy blue everyday...
No colour!
Plus!
We can't have like crazy hair because it is a distraction...or that many piercings.
So there are some pros and cons to having a uniform.
But on the days we can wear normal clothing is where everyone loves it.
Only thing is we can't show so much skin, and I am not bothered by that.
I am almost done school.
I think I can live threw half a semester till I graduate. =D.

awesome..

[RoxAxel]

I had to wear uniforms from 5th to 8th grade. I hated them. I didn't see any point on them. I'm in high school now and they don't have them. Boy I am happy.:D

[darkheart4ever]

wow having a dress code and not having a dress code isn't such a big deal

i don't know why people say the only reason i'n in public school is so i don't have a dress code...

[kyo]

I'm in a public school and I have a strict dress code.

Plus, the last part of the first semester, teachers stopped caring. Four weeks into the second semester and now my douche of a principal comes on the tv. I never want to see him, and especially not at 7 in the morning. But he says that they will now start checking dress code every single day. That changed to once a week. Now the last quarter is about to start. I hope his cancer hurries up and disables him.