Fate/Destiny

[KH2_FinalSora]

Do you beleive that everything happens for a reason? Do you beleive that no matter what you do, you'll end up at the same place that you were destined to be in at that moment? Do you think that a power has complete control over your life, and that no matter waht you do, you cannot change it?

or...

Do you think that you can make your own road, choose any path you wish, and have a multitude of different endings. Do you think that in the end, you have the final choice in everything, and that everything you do in your life may effect the outcome of your life.

So...which is right? Both, neither? One, the other?

[Lone Wolf]

The only thing, I believe, we are destined to is death, because there are some to which life is not given.

But I believe fate governs no man, sure there are coincidences now and then, but nothing that you can't mess up because of your choices.

[Xykru]

Each person's road is influenced by moment to moment choices, and it is impossable to guess what one person shall always do. Our roads are of our own making, there is no 'ultimate-future' for any one person.

[NicoleChristine]

I believe our Destiny is our own making, and only time can tell what would happen next.

[Kryptik]

I believe our Destiny is our own making, and only time can tell what would happen next.

You sound like Agnes from the old computer game LOOM.. "My fate is yours to weave" only not the other person making your fate it's your own. I guess every decision we make is the way we go to our fate. By each yes or no answer or anything else we ignore that leads us to the end of the path by each day. A small step backwards or forwards each second to each day.

[Togo]

i think everything happens for a reason even if it is something really small. Everyone has their own path to follow in my opinion.

[Mudson]

I think its a mixture of both/

There is something planned for us all at some point, but if we get there or not is our choice.
I mean death for exxample, alot of th etime its not by choice, we can't influence what happens deathwise, we can prolong it but itll happen.
Thats one hoice we can't make, but alternativly, ho w we live our lives whilst we are still alive is all down to us.

[kingdomkeys]

I think i would be both

We do have the choice in what we want to do but there are ppl around that will point you in a direction, and if you listen it is entierly up to you. I think that most of the time ppl dont have control over there lifes because most ppl dont listen to their selves but follow others. So they miss things that could have changed their lives, usually the positve ones.

[asylum51]

how about both? like in the matrix, the oracle said "You're not here to make the decision, you've already made it. You're here to understand the choice." Also because every choice you make is not determined, but influenced by our families, upbringing, environment, self-image, friends, ect.

We're trapped not by a "power" but by our own free will. ironic, isn't it?

At least that's my opinion...

[Kryptik]

how about both? like in the matrix, the oracle said "You're not here to make the decision, you've already made it. You're here to understand the choice." Also because every choice you make is not determined, but influenced by our families, upbringing, environment, self-image, friends, ect.

We're trapped not by a "power" but by our own free will. ironic, isn't it?

At least that's my opinion...

Okay so if you're saying that we are literally trapped by our own free will and power. How do you explain how to get out and move into a new map that we want to trap ourselves into with both power and free will? Just curious?

[-RikuKH3]

but nothing that you can't mess up because of your choices.

Mmm, you can mess up ALOT of things by your own choices.

[Kryptik]

Mmm, you can mess up ALOT of things by your own choices.

Yeah that one is extremely obvious....

[-RikuKH3]

Yeah that one is extremely obvious....

Tell that to the person i quoted it from :P

[Kryptik]

but nothing that you can't mess up because of your choices.


Thats completely obvious you know that. Our own actions pretty much deal out the consequences for us. Whether it's good or bad.

Tell that to the person i quoted it from :P

Okay I did..xD..

[Lone Wolf]

Mmm, you can mess up ALOT of things by your own choices.
I thought the message was pretty easy to understand, I feel no need to complicate anything.

I know man can mess up because of his own choices, thats what I've been saying everywhere and that statement does not contradict it.

In conclusion, you misinterpreted it.

[Mudson]

Our hoices can screw things up, which is why I beleive in the split pathway option.
Ever taken one of those tree quizes, where you follow the branch that leads to you awnser? Its sort of like that :P
Ultimatly there are a set number of places you were intended to be or have done by death.
Its ensured by someones personality, someone who is intended to say help a small village will be giving the personality of not liking travelling and wanting to stay in their hoem town.
Someone intended to sread worldwide messages will be adventurous and want to travel the world :P
If that makes any sense >_< Its just a way of ensuring we do what we are supposed to do.

[asylum51]

Okay so if you're saying that we are literally trapped by our own free will and power. How do you explain how to get out and move into a new map that we want to trap ourselves into with both power and free will? Just curious?

okay i'm not sure if everyone will get this, but here goes:

there is a theory about time travel, that it is impossible because when you change something in the past, it will have an effect on the future. this effect will prevent you from going back in time in the first place, because with the change, you will never have had a reason to go back and change it in the first place. in other words, the changes you make will prevent you from making them, so things have to stay the same

there's another theory that says, because you can't return to the same future, the only thing you remember is the post-change reality. in this instance, all of the changes that would have been made were already that way to begin with.

the second one is the one i am referring to when saying that we are trapped by our own free will.

[Kryptik]

okay i'm not sure if everyone will get this, but here goes:

there is a theory about time travel, that it is impossible because when you change something in the past, it will have an effect on the future. this effect will prevent you from going back in time in the first place, because with the change, you will never have had a reason to go back and change it in the first place. in other words, the changes you make will prevent you from making them, so things have to stay the same

there's another theory that says, because you can't return to the same future, the only thing you remember is the post-change reality. in this instance, all of the changes that would have been made were already that way to begin with.

the second one is the one i am referring to when saying that we are trapped by our own free will.

Actually that made sense to me and I pretty much the same thing just for your information with a slight paraphrase of the Matrix.

[zeffie]

okay i'm not sure if everyone will get this, but here goes:

there is a theory about time travel, that it is impossible because when you change something in the past, it will have an effect on the future. this effect will prevent you from going back in time in the first place, because with the change, you will never have had a reason to go back and change it in the first place. in other words, the changes you make will prevent you from making them, so things have to stay the same

there's another theory that says, because you can't return to the same future, the only thing you remember is the post-change reality. in this instance, all of the changes that would have been made were already that way to begin with.

the second one is the one i am referring to when saying that we are trapped by our own free will.


This is called the time paradox.. or grandfather paradox, where if you go back in time, and kill your grandfather thus preventing your birth then how could you of gone back in time in the first place to kill your grandfather since you no longer exists.

[Tidus Shuyin]

I think, that both are true. We are destined to born, live and die. But In "live", part we make our own decisions, for example what to eat, what to drink, what job to do, with who you live together. Those ar our own decisions.

[asylum51]

however, even what you eat may be influenced by where you grew up, what cereals or other foods they had in that area, which may determine what you have a taste for.

no decision is COMPLETELY our own, unhindered by outside forces. every decision we make is influenced in some form or another.

EDIT:
no one responded to the second theory. i was referring to the second theory in my post earlier as to why we're trapped. like in back to the future, when you alter something in the past, the future you return to is different. that being said, the life we're living now could be the result of our changes, and thus we are living in the future created by our own choices and in that sense trapped.

that was the one i wanted the focus on to demonstrate my thinking.

[Ashen Lionheart]

How is living with the consequences of our own choices being trapped? That sounds like freedom to me.

[asylum51]

just in the sense that we have a determined fate because of the choices we make. most people would say that we can write our own destiny, but i'm saying we're bound to a destiny that we create. (ie some decisions are so life-altering that no matter what we do we cannot change the impact on our fate that it has)

[Kryptik]

just in the sense that we have a determined fate because of the choices we make. most people would say that we can write our own destiny, but i'm saying we're bound to a destiny that we create. (ie some decisions are so life-altering that no matter what we do we cannot change the impact on our fate that it has)

Well the only fate thats determined is the one you choose and the paths that you put in front of yourself as well as the ones you don't want and do want to move aside.
The only way to change your fate is to make it happen and act instead of thinking about how to change it. Thats how I see it anyways.

[asylum51]

i mean each decision we make binds us to a path of our own choosing.

for instance, you choose to have sex as a teen and the girl gets pregnant. that is a choice that will have a significant impact on your future that you cannot undo.