Genetic engineering

[takingbackheaven]

Do you agree with genetic engineering?
It can help fix mutations, or give you less of a chance of getting cancer or some other disease. It can help future parents make sure their child is healthy, and fix it if their not. Often, if a child has a bad genetic mutation, it is aborted. A little tweak in the DNA can fix this entire problem. Do you agree?

[The King of KH]

Yes i agree.....................

[Lone Wolf]

No, I certainly do not agree.

Genetic engineering as you said can lead to abortion, it can also lead to a child's messed up mind. No one can just ignore the fact that they were tweaked here and there the same way you would tune a car. Sure it might cure some problems, but no one knows what other kind of sickness might target a genetically engineered child.

The womb is certainly not a "Pimp my child" garage.

[darkheart4ever]

this is what happens when man is given the power of free will.

[Blazing]

No, I certainly do not agree.

Genetic engineering as you said can lead to abortion, it can also lead to a child's messed up mind. No one can just ignore the fact that they were tweaked here and there the same way you would tune a car. Sure it might cure some problems, but no one knows what other kind of sickness might target a genetically engineered child.

The womb is certainly not a "Pimp my child" garage.
lmao Pimp my Child

But I agree with u...

[takingbackheaven]

No, I certainly do not agree.

Genetic engineering as you said can lead to abortion, it can also lead to a child's messed up mind. No one can just ignore the fact that they were tweaked here and there the same way you would tune a car. Sure it might cure some problems, but no one knows what other kind of sickness might target a genetically engineered child.

The womb is certainly not a "Pimp my child" garage.

True, but what I said was that changing the DNA can fix it, not aborting it. Besides if you were an expectant parent, and found out your child would have health problems, wouldn't you do everything in your power to help them? I wouldn't "Pimp my child" out, I would make sure that they are going to be healthy. There is a complete difference.

[Lone Wolf]

Yes it may help a health problem, but you have no idea what physical or mental effects it's going to have on that child in the future.

Think of it, one small mistake could make the child even worse. Even if there is a chance that the operation is, let's say succesful. Unless you can look into the future there is no telling what other kind of health problems may arise.

[DreamHunter]

Yo, MTV, please PIMP MY CHILD!
hehe, I could totally see MTV's twisted mind doing something like this if it became available.

i still thinks its wrong though.

[robbie makin love]

Yes it may help a health problem, but you have no idea what physical or mental effects it's going to have on that child in the future.

Think of it, one small mistake could make the child even worse. Even if there is a chance that the operation is, let's say succesful. Unless you can look into the future there is no telling what other kind of health problems may arise.

thats not really a good point
every operation that has been or is going to be has had a chance of going wrong
but hospitals remain open
its the same as having an operation at any other time in your life
somthing can go wrong that'll change your life
thats the chance you take at trying to become healthy
plus from what we've done so far its not all that dangerous
the only thing that seperates humans from the animals this has already bin tested on is our complex minds
and at the point of genetic modification its hardly a factor

[Lone Wolf]

Yes, but an operation at any other time in your life, when you're actually out of the womb affect only one person. Genetic engineering may affect both the mother and the child.

Science isn't always 100% right, and one of the main point that I'm trying to make is, any genetically fixed problem may lead to another problem, perhaps worse than the other. Out of the fix may arise a new virus perhaps?

You never know. Ever wonder why that no matter how much science advances people still seem sick. New sicknesses keep arising and the're all directly or indirectly caused by humanity.

[Reiyyan]

I wanna do this myself as a career perhaps

thinking about al the GOOD and BAD things it has

EVERYTHING has good or bad things, you can never tell, even taking a normal pain killer has bad effects.

Yes there are risks, but i like taking risks, keeps me up on my feet and we'll never know if theres anythign abd about it unless we dont try it do we now?

[takingbackheaven]

Yes, but an operation at any other time in your life, when you're actually out of the womb affect only one person. Genetic engineering may affect both the mother and the child.

Science isn't always 100% right, and one of the main point that I'm trying to make is, any genetically fixed problem may lead to another problem, perhaps worse than the other. Out of the fix may arise a new virus perhaps?

You never know. Ever wonder why that no matter how much science advances people still seem sick. New sicknesses keep arising and the're all directly or indirectly caused by humanity.

Yes, but scientists work on the embryo before it is inside the mother. So really it can't affect the mother, just the child. Yes it may lead to other problems, but no problems have actually been reported. Besides new sicknesses can genetically mutate themselves too, it's not just us.

[Lone Wolf]

No I think every type virus or sickness is humanly caused. Like a supervirus might be born one of these days, due to the fact that the viruses become frequently immune to medecines and things of the sort.

Anyway, genetic engineering is still out of my moral concept. You were born one way, no telling what could happen if you wern't, but my final contribution to this debate is that, if you want to risk the sanity of your child, by all means do so. It's not against the doctors that the child will hold a grudge.

[Azure]

Really this reminds me of Gundam SEED world where humans are geneticaly engineered to become strongers, faster and just plain better than Natural born people...

But I mostly agree with Lone Wolf, there are many things that can go wrong with Genetic Engineering, and it is an unexplored practice... plus there is no way to gauge that way society would react to an artificially enhanced child, but most likely they would shun them... (humans tend to hate what is diffrent....)

So will the child cope with knowing that he is diffrent from others, that he is basicly the sum of an experiments because his/her parents did not just want him how he originaly was meant to be????

There are many unresolved questions on this idea of Genetic Engeneering... and also think how would such technologies would be assembled... we would need to experiment on live subject.. would you have the moral to actually try to manipulate human life for science?

Wait, this is already done? After all this is a world were abortion takes place.....

[Reiyyan]

No I think every type virus or sickness is humanly caused. Like a supervirus might be born one of these days, due to the fact that the viruses become frequently immune to medecines and things of the sort.

Anyway, genetic engineering is still out of my moral concept. You were born one way, no telling what could happen if you wern't, but my final contribution to this debate is that, if you want to risk the sanity of your child, by all means do so. It's not against the doctors that the child will hold a grudge.
MATE

tell me, if you find your son/daughter is gonna be bron with soem defect which will make him not be able to perform normally in life, but he will survive, like idk he wont be able to walk, then if the doctor tells u by doing on operation, your child will be normal wat will you do?

let your child be sick forever, or [erhaps use the chance to cure him?

[The Strongest Keyblader]

already bin tested on is our complex minds


humans have no way of proving their minds are more complex than an animal's, and I think genetic engeneering is wrong, since they can't ask the child if they want to be modified or not, and noone else has the right to decide that

[Reiyyan]

humans have no way of proving their minds are more complex than an animal's, and I think genetic engeneering is wrong, since they can't ask the child if they want to be modified or not, and noone else has the right to decide that
would you rather be able to walk, or will you just sit down in that disbaled chair and think, maybe if my parents decided to operate i could be runing?

[The Strongest Keyblader]

would you rather be able to walk, or will you just sit down in that disbaled chair and think, maybe if my parents decided to operate i could be runing?

I'd rather sit in the chair, instead of knowing that I was unnatural, humans may be able to tamper with nature's work, but that doesn't mean they should

[Lone Wolf]

MATE

tell me, if you find your son/daughter is gonna be bron with soem defect which will make him not be able to perform normally in life, but he will survive, like idk he wont be able to walk, then if the doctor tells u by doing on operation, your child will be normal wat will you do?

let your child be sick forever, or [erhaps use the chance to cure him?

I perfer to let the baby be born naturally, I wouldn't risk it's life before it's seen the light of day. No, I wouldn't.

That baby when it's grown up can make it's own decisions, and a desicion like that is only for that person to make.

[Reiyyan]

It'll be too late by then, it can only lbe done to the embryo.

I know someone whose dissabled, and cant walk, and he'd do ANYTHING to get out of his bed.

Unless you don't try it, then you can't know its harms.

Sometimes, you need to make decisions at the EXACT momment, not after 16 Years, in that case i believe parents can make there minds for their child.

[The Strongest Keyblader]

It'll be too late by then, it can only lbe done to the embryo.

I know someone whose dissabled, and cant walk, and he'd do ANYTHING to get out of his bed.

Unless you don't try it, then you can't know its harms.

Sometimes, you need to make decisions at the EXACT momment, not after 16 Years, in that case i believe parents can make there minds for their child.

the thing is though, parents shouldn't have that right. so GE should be made completly illegal, since it's impossible to give consent to it, and nobody else should be able to give consent for you

[Lone Wolf]

It'll be too late by then, it can only lbe done to the embryo.

I know someone whose dissabled, and cant walk, and he'd do ANYTHING to get out of his bed.

Unless you don't try it, then you can't know its harms.

Sometimes, you need to make decisions at the EXACT momment, not after 16 Years, in that case i believe parents can make there minds for their child.
Who says paralysis can only be overcome in the embryo? If genetic engineering is possible, than cell reconstruction can't fall too behind.


This whole thing is like baby baptism to me. That baptism doesn't count for anything because the baby was not the one to make the desicion.

[Reiyyan]

BUT your PARENTS DO have a right over you, your there child after all, your on this planet because of them, just the way your parents gave you your name they can try to help you live wat they think is a better life.

[Lone Wolf]

Yes they can help me, but help can only be made if it has been accepted. Yes they do have the right to claim me as there son, but they have no right to alter my body without my consent.

[The Strongest Keyblader]

BUT your PARENTS DO have a right over you, your there child after all, your on this planet because of them, just the way your parents gave you your name they can try to help you live wat they think is a better life.

sorry, but all I see parents as are people who look after you, I couldn't care less who brougth me into this world, if somone interfered with my life, I'd hate them, even if they did make it better

[Reiyyan]

k take it as this way, if you make a MISTAKE, then u try to fix it, if u have a GENETIC MISTAKE, its beacuse of your parents gametes, so it's THEIR mistake, and they should FIX you, i know it sounds very inhumane, but its the truth, i try to fix my mistakes, no matter what it is.

Wont you want to correct your mistakes

[The Strongest Keyblader]

k take it as this way, if you make a MISTAKE, then u try to fix it, if u have a GENETIC MISTAKE, its beacuse of your parents gametes, so it's THEIR mistake, and they should FIX you, i know it sounds very inhumane, but its the truth, i try to fix my mistakes, no matter what it is.

Wont you want to correct your mistakes

technically, most genetic "mistakes" would be the child's fault, not the parents, since all the information is changed when the child recieves it (thats what my biology teacher said anyway), and so it's the child's choice whether to fix it's own "mistake" or not

[Reiyyan]

ermm ask your Bio teacher, its your parents, whose gametes fuse, and you take the 'PROPERTIES' of those gametes.

edit: of the GENES in those Gametes

[The Strongest Keyblader]

ermm ask your Bio teacher, its your parents, whose gametes fuse, and you take the 'PROPERTIES' of those gametes.

edit: of the GENES in those Gametes

yes, but you slightly alter the genes, meaning any propeties you take can be classed as your fault

[Reiyyan]

I don't know whether or not you alter these genes, if you do then perhaps u can say that

[The Strongest Keyblader]

I don't know whether or not you alter these genes, if you do then perhaps u can say that

which means I win, yay :D *does happy dance*

[Lone Wolf]

technically, most genetic "mistakes" would be the child's fault, not the parents, since all the information is changed when the child recieves it (thats what my biology teacher said anyway), and so it's the child's choice whether to fix it's own "mistake" or not
The only fault that a parent can have in the making of a child is if they are the result of incest and the child that may come out is the living testament of their shameful act. Genetically altering the child would be like trying to hide dirt under your rug.

[The Strongest Keyblader]

The only fault that a parent can have in the making of a child is if they are the result of incest and the child that may come out is the living testament of their shameful act. Genetically altering the child would be like trying to hide dirt under your rug.

incest isn't a shameful act, I've never done it, but personally I feel, if your two people who love eachother, it doesn't matter whether your related or not, however I do know that it can be dangerous, but it can also help the child too

[Lone Wolf]

Hmmm however you want to put it, I think that incest is wrong, but it's better if we don't get into that right now.

[ForgottenMemory]

Lone Wolf, incest is certianly not the only way for a child to become mutilated by birth. There are many, many medical reasons why something like that may occur.

[Lone Wolf]

Lone Wolf, incest is certianly not the only way for a child to become mutilated by birth. There are many, many medical reasons why something like that may occur.
I never said there were not, I was just putting an example. Drinking and smoking during pregnancy can do the same, I'm aware.

[Reiyyan]

You dont WIN xD, ask your Bio teacher about that, i belive they arent CHANGED

nooooo, see now you rmkaing it as if, they "MADE LOVE" in a wrong way.

Havinga Bas**** or somethign like that doesnt have anythign to genetic engineering

btw genetic engineer has to do wit plants and stuuf as well you know, and you cna always test stuff on plants and then try it on animals and then humans, like modify CHIMPS xD

[Lone Wolf]

A blue chimp... that'll be the day.

On to other matters, as I already stated I am very aware of the various ways a child can have problems.

[ForgottenMemory]

Yes. But there are other reasons that something like that could happen that have nothing to do with the choices the parents make. Geneticly, it could all be chance that something doesn't work right. It wouldn't be "hiding dirt under a rug" if the parents have had no control over the situation. I think that Genetic Engineering could really help people that need it. And even if it was the parents' fault? It isn't the child's. Why should they have to suffer?

[The Strongest Keyblader]

You dont WIN xD, ask your Bio teacher about that, i belive they arent CHANGED

nooooo, see now you rmkaing it as if, they "MADE LOVE" in a wrong way.

Havinga Bas**** or somethign like that doesnt have anythign to genetic engineering

btw genetic engineer has to do wit plants and stuuf as well you know, and you cna always test stuff on plants and then try it on animals and then humans, like modify CHIMPS xD

it doesn't matter whether you belive they're changed or not, it's beem scientifically proven, so beat that *does happy dance again*

[Reiyyan]

it doesn't matter whether you belive they're changed or not, it's beem scientifically proven, so beat that *does happy dance again*
I mean gime the proof smart one xD

Yourrite forgottenmem, if the child CAN be saved, dont stop to think wat might happen next, he might live happilyfro al his life. be OPTIMISTS

[The Strongest Keyblader]

I mean gime the proof smart one xD

Yourrite forgottenmem, if the child CAN be saved, dont stop to think wat might happen next, he might live happilyfro al his life. be OPTIMISTS

I can't my biology teacher just told us it in the lesson, and I'm too lazy to search on wikipedia or anything like that

[Lone Wolf]

Yes. But there are other reasons that something like that could happen that have nothing to do with the choices the parents make. Geneticly, it could all be chance that something doesn't work right. It wouldn't be "hiding dirt under a rug" if the parents have had no control over the situation. I think that Genetic Engineering could really help people that need it. And even if it was the parents' fault? It isn't the child's. Why should they have to suffer?
A child shouldn't suffer because of the parent's actions no, but whats done is done. You went and drank and had a great time smoking and didn't really care what happened to your child. It's your fault amd just like bearing a secret brings pressure that child will bring pressure onto his/her parents. Probably for the better.

So you messed up, what are you going to do, mess with the order of life just cause you messed up on your own.

Very unorthodox if you ask me.

[takingbackheaven]

A child shouldn't suffer because of the parent's actions no, but whats done is done. You went and drank and had a great time smoking and didn't really care what happened to your child. It's your fault amd just like bearing a secret brings pressure that child will bring pressure onto his/her parents. Probably for the better.

So you messed up, what are you going to do, mess with the order of life just cause you messed up on your own.

Very unorthodox if you ask me.

Once again, it's not just what the parents could've done, but a genetically transmitted disease could be passed on. I sat at my house and watched my dad die of cancer. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, and it can be passed on, so I have a risk of getting it, and so could my future kids.

The parents don't have to mess up. My dad didn't mess up. Even if I don't get cancer, I'll be a carrier for it. I would do anything to save a child from that havoc.

[Lone Wolf]

Yes you are right, traits like those may be passed on, but are you certain that it can be removed through genetic engineering?

Every human on earth has cancer cells, for what reason I don't know, all I know is that you may be a carrier of that trait, but that still doesn't mean that it will become active in every child that goes down your lineage. It's a fact of life that people die, some people might even cheat death (Jack Sparrow for example lol.). Genetic engineering won't remove your child's cancer cells and only a carcinogen can activate them, in your specific case.

[takingbackheaven]

Yes you are right, traits like those may be passed on, but are you certain that it can be removed through genetic engineering?

Every human on earth has cancer cells, for what reason I don't know, all I know is that you may be a carrier of that trait, but that still doesn't mean that it will become active in every child that goes down your lineage. It's a fact of life that people die, some people might even cheat death (Jack Sparrow for example lol.). Genetic engineering won't remove your child's cancer cells and only a carcinogen can activate them, in your specific case.

Once again yes, but it can help slow the mutations and even remove them. It's been done. You still can't blame mutations on the parent drinking or smoking though. They don't have to drink or smoke, and most don't, yet thier child gets a genetic mutation. The child could get cerebral palsy or some other mutation, which can be cut out of the DNA without hurting the child at all.

Let's say I had cerbral palsy, and I had been genetically changed. I wouldn't be ashamed of it. I would be happy, because my parents had tried to give me a normal life. I wouldn't care what others think of me, but at least I can get out of bed in the morning, or walk down the street. In some ways it would help children with that diesease, not hurt them.

It's not like someone going over to these and saying "I want a blonde blue eyed baby." That's not what they're here for. That is a completely different idea, but most people commonly associate them with genetic engineering. I'm not saying you're wrong to think like that, but more people are GEing thier children to make them healthy.

[Lone Wolf]

Once again yes, but it can help slow the mutations and even remove them. It's been done. You still can't blame mutations on the parent drinking or smoking though. They don't have to drink or smoke, and most don't, yet thier child gets a genetic mutation. The child could get cerebral palsy or some other mutation, which can be cut out of the DNA without hurting the child at all.

Let's say I had cerbral palsy, and I had been genetically changed. I wouldn't be ashamed of it. I would be happy, because my parents had tried to give me a normal life. I wouldn't care what others think of me, but at least I can get out of bed in the morning, or walk down the street. In some ways it would help children with that diesease, not hurt them.

It's not like someone going over to these and saying "I want a blonde blue eyed baby." That's not what they're here for. That is a completely different idea, but most people commonly associate them with genetic engineering. I'm not saying you're wrong to think like that, but more people are GEing thier children to make them healthy.
Thats pretty much your opinion right now because you have never felt it. You can never talk on behalf of others if you've never felt like they do. So I would only believe you had you actually been genetically engineered like a cyborg perhaps.

Personally for me, if I'm ever proud of an achievement I've made I'd like it to be by my own sweat and blood.

[takingbackheaven]

Interesting... If you had mucular dystrophy or somthing, you'd rather go through therapy for the rest of your, then be altered? Courageous yes, but through all your life how many people would frown upon you for being "different".

I'm not saying I would, but what about a job, or driving a car. Normal things people would do, thos with muscular dystrophy wouldn't be able to. To be so dependant on others for the rest of very short life. I would try my best to change that.

If we genetically engineered them, they would be able to drive, live until their 90 years old. Complete their dreams. It would give them a chance to live a full life. Don't you want that for them?

[Lone Wolf]

I particularly believe that man lives for too long as it is. As we grow older our bones begin to detiriorate, our minds and one slowly begins to tire of the world.

If there are no trials in your life, I guess you would be bored most of your life. Besides, everyone has a role to play in the world, blacks, whites, asians, heterosexuals, homosexuals, invalids, blind, deaf. They all play a part in the world.

I personally think that God has an intention for everything, and changing how a person was originally designed does not fit that intention. My personal opinion involving my morals and logic.

[takingbackheaven]

I particularly believe that man lives for too long as it is. As we grow older our bones begin to detiriorate, our minds and one slowly begins to tire of the world.

If there are no trials in your life, I guess you would be bored most of your life. Besides, everyone has a role to play in the world, blacks, whites, asians, heterosexuals, homosexuals, invalids, blind, deaf. They all play a part in the world.

I personally think that God has an intention for everything, and changing how a person was originally designed does not fit that intention. My personal opinion involving my morals and logic.

You say that God has an intention for everything. Why did he allows us to find out how to change embryos? Please don't say "he didn't give us that" when, in fact he did. He gave us intelligence, so that we could fix our problems, therfore giving us genetic engineering.

My personal opinion is that we should be able to take our problems and fix them, health or not, because we only live one life, so live it to it's fullest, doing everything we possibly can.

[Lone Wolf]

I won't say he gave us that.

I say he gave us a free will to use it as we please. Just because we have that doens't mean everything we do is right.

And well yes we do have one life here on earth, but for me the only thing you'll get out of this life is where your going to in the next.

So you do have the right to do what you want, still doesn't mean it's morally right. As a wise man once said, "The end should not justify the means."

[takingbackheaven]

I won't say he gave us that.

I say he gave us a free will to use it as we please. Just because we have that doens't mean everything we do is right.

And well yes we do have one life here on earth, but for me the only thing you'll get out of this life is where your going to in the next.

So you do have the right to do what you want, still doesn't mean it's morally right. As a wise man once said, "The end should not justify the means."

Would you rather watch a kid die, or genetically alter them? Most people say that we shouldn't but don't give a ledgitimate reason why. You have said that you don't think God gave it to us, and I see your point.

It is a medical breakthrough though. If we could change one life, then why call it bad. It can help others, and is only reccomended in the most serious of circumstances. It depends on your opinion I guess. If I was given a chance to save a life, or make one's life easier, I would take it.

[Lone Wolf]

It's a valid point and I see where you are coming at, but there are different ways in which to go about solving problems and I see genetic engineering as an unreasonable solution.

In some ways it seems like the right solution, but I would rather go about what I think is the right solution. I see through my eyes, you see through yours, some see through the eyes of the world, but whatever we see is what we consider as correct.