GAME-Why Is It Call 358/2?

[Dark Knight]

Howdy members,

I decided to make a mini game theory here about Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days, show your theories of why is it called 358/2, for me, it must be kinda of like an abstract name, just as like Disney's 365, the difference between 358 and 365 days a year, is 7 days, that means one week, we can say that that one week that was left was the one we played on Kingdom Hearts 2 at the beginning. But thats just me, tell us what you think about it.

[lionsbarrage]

amazes me how many people think the same theory, thing is that theory was already confirmed to be wrong. Mostly people look at the titel and assume it that 358means the days of a year. But in fact the title is pronounced three five eight over 2 days.

[Roxas[Nobody]]

amazes me how many people think the same theory, thing is that theory was already confirmed to be wrong. Mostly people look at the titel and assume it that 358means the days of a year. But in fact the title is pronounced three five eight over 2 days.

yes that urks me to
plus its only say 2 days we dont kno if 3-5-8 is refering to days

[Key of Valor]

:D Idea!

I've been thinking about this code for a long
while now and I have a theory still in progress.

A day is basically a cycle of passing time.
Based off statements made Kingdom Hearts
a day is divided into four parts:
Dawn
Noon
Dusk
Night

In 2 days there are 8 parts of the cycle:
Dawn
Noon
Dusk
Night
Dawn
Noon
Dusk
Night

This might explain the 8 or at least be related to it.
The sum of 3 and 5 equals 8 which means it might
be connected to this cycle as well.

If 3 and 5 are connected to it what could it means?
An imbalance?

Still in progress but I think I'm on track with the
whole cycle thing.

358/2days

[AnsemDiz]

Howdy members,

I decided to make a mini game theory here about Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days, show your theories of why is it called 358/2, for me, it must be kinda of like an abstract name, just as like Disney's 365, the difference between 358 and 365 days a year, is 7 days, that means one week, we can say that that one week that was left was the one we played on Kingdom Hearts 2 at the beginning. But thats just me, tell us what you think about it.

That is reasonable since you play as Roxas for a week, and for Lionsbarrage, GameInformer said that it's pronounced 3 5 8 over 2 days.

[lionsbarrage]

there was another source than gameinformer, but it was a while ago, anyways the theory of the that day non dusk 358 seems too way over the top. PLus like usaid its incomplete, maybe when its fully done itll be better.

[Key of Valor]

Here's another thought.
5+8 equals 13
358/2 Days will involve the internal
affairs of the Organization and might
involve why the 5 members stationed
at Castle Oblivion became traitors while
the other 8 stayed loyal. (Not sure if this
is accurate since I haven't played CoM R/R
for a few years)

Then again that leaves 3 and 2 Days
unanswered. the 3 might represent
the other characters of the game
like DiZ, Riku, and Mickey but it might
also only involve the other nobodies
like Number XIV and Namine and
maybe even another nobody who
has yet to be revealed. 16 Nobodies,
8 parts of a 2 day cycle. Does anything
I'm suggesting really make any sense.
Nope, I'm just throwing ideas out there.
Some of which are better thrown in the
trash can. Some of which I'm saying
though isn't completely hopeless.

[lionsbarrage]

well i wont say its completely hopeless, but i think people might be putting too much math into this, i mean imsure the title is really simple once we get it. Im thinking that may this whole thing of the game happens over the course of 2 days, or maybe the 3 5 8 might represent the org. members of that number. Its only a matter of a short time till ti release in japan.

[Xuan]

Well... I think I should help with this.

Personally, I think that three five eight over two days represents an anomaly in the existence of Nobodies. Roxas and Namine, if I were to be precise.

When one person is consumed by the Darkness, he become a Heartless while his body and soul became a Nobody.

Which means, 1 split into 2 beings.

Thus, if this sequence is to progress, it will be: 1 into 2, 2 into 4, 4 into 8 (1 person become two beings (heartless and nobodies), 2 person into four beings, and so on)

Thus, the normal sequence would be two four eight.

However, Sora's case is the anomaly: Instead of the usual two beings, three has been created. Sora's heartless (before or after returning into his true form, same thing), Roxas, and Namine. Even though the cause of creation is different, it is a unique anomaly unseen before in anywhere.

Thus, the sequence became 1 into 3, 3 into 5, 5 into 8.

Erm, now I need to explain... yeah, now about why exactly the sequence in the end is 5 into 8. When it reaches 8, just like the natural sequence, the anomaly will 'disappear'.

As we can see, the natural sequence (2, 4, 8) has been altered, defied by the strange occurance of two Nobodies created from one beng. Thus, it has the need to be returned to normal. I assume that this this natural sequence would repair itself: Which means, in order to fix the error, one of the two Nobodies would disappear, or perhaps both of them because Sora is whole, and they are simply errors.

Which would explain why Roxas and Namine had a long (Or shorter, god knows) life span than the other Nobodies. At the end of 8, whatever the time is, Roxas will disappear to fix the error of the sequence, whether he wants it or not.

I believe the 'over two' is perhaps a sign or a warning, or even a mark. Imagine you ticking on your to-do list. 'over two' is the sign that the error would be fixed soon.

Days is of course, how long would it take for the natural sequence to 'fix' itself.

We wouldn't understand this because it sounded illogical, yet it is if the game is about Roxas discovering clues and hints that he is disappearing, and that this, the natural sequence were somehow showing up during his hunt for Heartless. The more you explore and complete missions the more signs you get, and at some point in the game, possibly in the middle of the game, Roxas discovers what those strange hints meant (14th member involved) and found the answer.

That is, how long before he would ultimately disappear.

After the middle of the game, Roxas would still search for the 'signs' of course, searching for a way to prevent himself from disappearing.

Perhaps the 14th told him that, he can't choose whether he remains or not. He is fated to disappear, which could explain the emotional turmoil in Roxas when he fought Riku, and the breaking of his friendship with Axel.

Perhaps, she also told him that he might not prevent himself from disappearing, but he could CHOOSE how he would disappear. Thus, began the search for Sora, the leaving from the Organization.

The start of a lone journey, the path of his destiny.

Well, I believe Roxas had chose that he would either find Sora (I seriously don't think he knew anything about Namine), or die trying. Another possibility is that he want to die alone.

Both could explain why he know not Sora's name, or so frustated when Riku called him as Sora.

It kept on reminding him of what he is not. As if he... already disappeared.

Now, whatever the natural sequence about 358/2 days might be wrong, but the other predictions are really likely to be correct.

[Kairi]

Absolutely fantastic logic going on in this thread...:) haha, well it all makes sense to me since I have no theories on this whatsoever. Brilliant thinking, everyone! It's a nice read.

[JET73L]

A theory I have is that the three-five-eight refers to groups of people, such as the schism among the Organization that seems to have been referenced in KH2 and CoM (5 on one side, 8 on the other, and the three refers to one of the trinity charactyer groupings, Sora/Riku/Kairi, the keyblade knights or whoever, that sort of thing. If the trinity grouping includes Sora/Riku/kairi, the five-eight may include, say, Diz in place of Roxas. The 2 days part could refer to either the time of discussion, or the length of time in which the game is to either take place or be played (by time in which it is to be played, I mean by in-game hours, not by hours of gameplay, if you understand at all what I am trying to say. I doubt the events of the game will take place in only two days, but it;s possible).

Bear with me, I haven;t had much chance to keep up with KH news (the constant crowd of people at this forum spooks me away), so just tell me if I'm horribly, utterly wrong about anything.

[Key of Valor]

Actually that's close to what I suggested.
The 2 day thing though seems a bit off.

Also what must be considered is that the
title shouldn't be understood until the end
of the game and something like this idea
seems logical enough to be too obvious.
Then again, we still don't entirely understand
the two day part. (I'm sticking to the concept
of my cycle idea currently)

[tairi]

everyone has good ideas. but maybe the 358 days are how long sora spent recovering memories and the two days are how long it took after roxas meshed with sora:)

[Key of Valor]

Nomura said the title is not be understood till
you play the game and to me that seems too
simple, and/or incomplete. I agree though that
some of us may be putting too much thought
in this.

I have a new idea on what it means and should
have it posted within a few days.

[lionsbarrage]

well again it cant be too complicated either, i thought around the same idea as well, only different characters, buts its still not complete and the 2 days thing, well i suppose it actually can happen over the course of 2 days.

[waitin4KH3]

Well, the final two days of Roxas' week in Twilight Town were when he really discovered who he was and eventually reunited with Sora. That could be what the two days reference is about. And I believe either Lexeaus, Vexen or Zexion was the fifth member of the org, so the 3-5-8 shouldn't be reference to the org members numbers, since they should be in Castle Oblivion or dead during the course of this story. Correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't played KH2 in a while.

[xaxisa]

hey guys hes got a point! i think 3-5-8 are the numbers of the organization you play as!

[Key of Valor]

Well one of those are deceased by the ending of KH:CoM
so this might not be the case. Anything is possible of course.
So far though we have yet to see any gameplay with 3 or 5.

My new theory is almost complete, I've been talking about
it for a while and I haven't given any clues except for that
it was inspired by Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the
Crystal Skull. It has to do with the True Legends of the
Crystal Skulls and how that relates with Organization XIII.

:D

[EspioChaos]

LOL! Valor, ur like some freaky KH nut! in a good way because you always have good analysis'. Unfortunately, I don't have a theory about the title. I'll just sit here and watch you guys... "ENLIGHTEN" me, lol!

[tairi]

what xaxisa is saying actually is making sense, but he's too far off. if i remember right, you can play as larxene and she's #12

[waitin4KH3]

Well, everything I said was taken out of context. I said the numbers 3-5-8 are NOT related to the org members number. Org member 5 is dead throughout the majority of the year Roxas is a member. The rest of that year, he would be at Castle Oblivion. The same goes for Larxene, she died at Castle Oblivion and shouldn't be present in 358/2. If you are allowed to play as ANY member of your choice, you should automatically subtract the five members present in COM, not counting Axel. This leaves you with eight POSSIBLE playable characters plus the 14th member if you're allowed to control her.

[Key of Valor]

Well I believe there was a point where all the Organization Members were
present that we will see in the game. For a good portion of it though we
shouldn't see much of any for them when they go to Castle Oblvion and
die. I think Axel hints in a scene where he confronts Sora in Castle Oblivion
when he says that the two have more in common than Sora will ever know.
This meaning he may have already known Roxas.

[lionsbarrage]

U also have to consider that 358 may take place at a different time then they were in CO, i really dont see year the game taking place during the entire year, it would either seem really boring to do the same stuff over and over, or if stuff was really important i think other people outside would have known about some stuff. Or they could pull a crisis core and skip some months in between.

[Namine07]

i just think that is called 358/2 days cauz its the time period that sora was in deep sleep.

[tairi]

i just think that is called 358/2 days cauz its the time period that sora was in deep sleep.
at least someone agrees with me.

[Twilight_Riku]

hey guys hes got a point! i think 3-5-8 are the numbers of the organization you play as!

You only get to play as other organisation members in multiplayer right? If thats so then why would the title have any reference to multiplayer. Surely the title is about the main story of Roxas and why he joins the organisation and then later leaves it. I don't have a clue what the title means could mean anything at this moment in time. Hopefully E3 next month will answer a few questions about all 3 games, hopefully new footage or gameplay demos.

[lionsbarrage]

well as for numbers as reference to the org. U may only get to play as other org.s during multiplayer, but it might just be that those specific org. members play some sort of key or hidden role in 358/2.

[xemnasdestroyer358]

ok it may have to do with dividing the numbers because 358/2 is a fraction and that means to divide just throwing that out there

[Number XIII Roxas]

I thought this was already confirmed it means 358 days (1 year) over 2 stories Roxas's and Riku's, Nomura released this a while ago

[lionsbarrage]

No, thats a very common misconception.

BU t that title actually is pronounced (three five eight over 2 day)so the year thing is really thrown out by that.

[DuskKiller713]

Wait... isn't there already a thread EXACTLY like this in the EXACT same topic area.

[tairi]

Wait... isn't there already a thread EXACTLY like this in the EXACT same topic area.
i don't know. to tell you the truth, i like this one:p :p :p

[wakkafan]

We do not know why it's called that....the game will tell us when it is out! :D

[MARLUXIA'S_HEARTLESS]

Here's an idea. What of instead of adding 3,5, and 8. Why not subtract them? As in 8-5-3=2. 2/2 is the same as 1/1 which could mean when Sora and Roxas become one. Then add 3,5 and 8 to get 16. Divide by two to get 8(a little more than a week) which could mean the time that you play before he is captured. As he journeys into other worlds he has a change of heart(so to speak) and becomes like Sora and leaves the organization.

It could be right, or totally off. I dought it's that complex. In fact the code could mean something totally different. But hey it's a nice shot.

[keybladexwars]

i agree with previous statements its probably something so far from were all generating ideas about. well just found out when the game comes out.

[flashn00b]

We'll just have to wait till it's released. Now it's got some media coverage by gamespot, so i guess we're sure that it's not just the codename for development.

[~VeN~]

Well,I've just come up with the theory that maybe Roxas is related to Xion,maybe they were made by the same person(!)so if the number 358 does mean days of a year...maybe it's the days of Xion and Roxas in the organisation and the 'days' goes to 358 and not to the number '2'.Unless the numbers 3-5-8 are numbers of the orginisation...But that's all theory,if we want to know we must wait for the game...

[lionsbarrage]

this is a common mistake of making it to be as days of the year. but its 3 5 8, that could mean days, but not as in three hundred and fifty eight.


Plus we already have "supposedly" 2 nobodies made from one person. This meaning according to what some believe and the reports say.

[deariusibt]

From several of the screenshots that I've seen, the touch screen had a 1/2 days on it. I think that maybe Roxas had something that he had to do for the Organization, but he might have procrastinated and it turned into the 358, which could very well be the period that Sora was asleep. And I think that this procrastination could have to led to his break down, and inprisonment in Twilight Town.

[khveteranXIII]

sheez louiz, people, haven't we've done this before, only to see that it leads nowhere?

STOP POSTING ON THIS THEORY!! YOU"LL GET NOWHERE!!!

thank you for your time.

[titanicbme]

I belive it mean the 358 days that the other half or the second half of sora spent in the orginization. The the missing days of a year are the ones you start on in KH2 That is my theroy and I am sticking to it:cool:

[Key of Valor]

Well Nomura said the title shouldn't be understood until
the end of KH'Days but it's possible he under-estimated us.

However the number is three-five-eight, not three hundred fifty-eight.
I suppose part of the code could be to translate 3'5'8 into 358 but there
are still a few things that don't add up...

The theory for the /2 is actually a very popular idea which currently
is the most likely scenario for the meaning of the /2. If only those
other three number weren't so complicated.

[KingofheartsX]

I believe that 358/2 days is meant to be the amount of days that both Roxas and Xion spent in the Orginization.
/2 being that it is seen in two points of view.

[lionsbarrage]

yes but again that title is not any amount of days or doesnt come out to be like that. and i really doubt its that simple to figure out without playing.

[Sheeder]

i actually disagree. I do think it has to do with days. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDMhIohTD4&NR=1 At the 40 second mark, u see Roxas and Axel talking.

And after seeing this, i do think roxas was in the organization 358 days. and not positive, no facts to back this up, but /2 must be sora's half. I think it has to do with, u guessed it, Sora. Possibly he was in the sleep chamber for that same amount of time. 358. And the title is 358/2 DAYS! with DAYS in the title. so i do think, it has to do with days. i think u all are forgetting that in the title.

[Key of Valor]

Nomura already explained why the title has the word 'Days' in it.
The real mystery is what the numbers mean.

[lionsbarrage]

yeah its not that we dont think it has to to with days but based on the titel and stuff we just dont think it has to do with 358 days and that whole year based thing.

[Xuan]

And why the title has 'Days' inside it again?

[Key of Valor]

Nomura said he added 'Days' to the title because the story
progresses in days. That's why I think the code of Numbers
is independently important to the plot. Like how children
refer to their time of schooling as 'school days' or the 'the
days of school' I think 3'5'8/2 is something important that
the period when the game takes place can be called 'the
days of 3'5'8/2' or, as the title says, '3'5'8/2 Days'.

[zSora]

3-5-8, also known as Sergeant Major for its popularity among members of Britain's Royal Air Force, is a trick taking card game for 3 players, using a standard 52 card deck.

[Key of Valor]

Hm... that sounds like an intersting idea.

And to correct a previous mistake of mine
in this thread, the title of the game is actually
pronounced like this:

'three five eight days over two'

That card game though has me interested,
I'll be sure to look into the details of that game