Under God?

[Helix: The True Hero]

"I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America. And to the Republic, through which it stands. One nation, under God, indivisible, for liberty and justice for all."



People have been making a controversy out of whether or whether not "Under God" should be included in the Pledge of Allegiance. Many people don't think it should, due to religious reasons and others.



What do you guys think?

[Rui]

Take it out, and replace it with nothing. The truth is, "Under God" was never in the original USA pledge of allegiance. It was added by the government during the Red Scare and the Cold War (the height of which were in the '50's) to set ourselves apart from the communists. With all this over with, we have no need for the phrase now. Our current biggest threat worldwide is religious extremism, actually.

Now, for those who wish to keep it in, keep in mind that the United States of America has no state religion, and the constitution forbids one from being set up, last I knew. Besides, not everyone believes in a higher power(s) of some sort, and the numbers of atheists and agnostics in the country grows each year. Having "Under God" in the pledge comes off as endorsing religion, which is not the government's job.

[Lone Wolf]

I myself as many know am a Christian and I don't think it should be in the american pledge of allegiance. Why? Well because the only reason, according to Rui, why it's there was to show a seperation and not for any religous purpose at all.

Personally I also believe that the only country that has "Under God" in their pledge is a nation devoted to him and well I could really say that alot of United States residents that are christians are not fully christian. In other words, when the going gets tough, they get going.

[darkheart4ever]

for people who say the words "under God" should be removed
here's my argument
the words under God
specify a united nation under the surpervision of God's eye
it doesn't specify which God but it says God
if they were to take out the words "under God"
that would only to continue to disunify our fractured nation.

[TerraT3]

I think it should stay in it because this nation was founded by those who believed in God.It doesn't matter if it was not in the original.The founding father were all Christians!The colonist were all Christians!In fact during the Revolutionary time period most(if not all)of the Americans were Christians!George Washington added "So help me God" to the Oath of Office!Guess who said it after that!EVERY PRESIDENT AFTER HIM!

[Riku-Sora]

I would keep it in. It has been in the pledge for this long with no complaints and now all of the sudden people start complaining about it. It is not hurting anyone. People just want to find things to complain about in my opinion.

[Wzrdto25]

It's true. The very first colonists came to America to escape religious persecution and many more followed. Accept it or not the whole idea of freedom was based of religious views that all men were created equal and should have rights. Our entire country (USA) is religiously based on Christianity and it's many branches. So why take away what little unique culture we have to our nation especially since changing any part of the old pledges or documents is frowned upon.

[Kaito]

These words [“under God”] will remind Americans that despite our great physical strength we must remain humble. They will help us to keep constantly in our minds and hearts the spiritual and moral principles which alone give dignity to man, and upon which our way of life is founded.

The words "under God" were only used because they were used in the Gettysburg Address.

Appealing to the authority of Abraham Lincoln, the Knights felt that the words "under God" which were from Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address were most appropriate to add to the Pledge

So, it was never meant to be a "one god, one nation" kinda thing. Why people make such a big deal about it I don't know. I'm sure we have more pressing matters to worry about than this.

[RXS]

i dont really care cause i dont say the pledge of allegiance, it feels wrong since im not from here

[UltimaxWeapon]

I guess it really matters on what religion you are. Not all religions believe in the Christian/Catholic God because they have their own God. Some people won't say the pledge of alliegience because they're not american, but as I see it, if your in our country, then you'll say our anthem. And of course, there are just people like me who don't say the pledge of alligience out of pure laziness. o.o

[darkheart4ever]

i know saome ppl like that..:rolleyes: :eek: :cool:

[Riku-Sora]

See stuff like this is the problem. People are so caught up in petty things like this that there shouldn't even be a debate about and putting all their energy into saying who is right which they could use more time trying to help the economy.

This is just one part of the reason our economy is as bad as it is. Wasting money on something that could be used to hep fix the state of the country.

Think about that debaters. (Not talking about the people in this forum debating.)

[AnsemDiz]

Under God should remain in the pledge. Our forfathers founded our land Under God, established this place Under God, and made the pledge Under God, and so it should remain, Under God.

[RXS]

didnt they come here to remove themselves from the ways of the protestant or whatever church? lol

lol they came here to make their own beliefs and the rebels got sent to maryland (ohh MRYLAND was the protestant place lol)

but they came here to sever ties with the king/queen (i forgot which)

[UltimaxWeapon]

;863926']lol they came here to make their own beliefs and the rebels got sent to maryland (ohh MRYLAND was the protestant place lol)

If you mean "Maryland", then don't ever call me that again. Protestents are a disgrace to my religion and family.

[darkheart4ever]

yeah the came here to be free to practice their form of religion
but that religion whether it be christianity, islam, judiasim, hinduism, buddhism, or whatever

they all are associated with the belief in a higher power or a higher state of being

[mysteryRoxas]

yea, this country was founded under religious beliefs,
however, "Under God" being in the pledge violates the seperation of church and state which so many people think is absolute. but quite frankly. i could care less whether the phrase is removed or not.

[Soul Of Destiny]

All though the majority of people in the world are not christians par se, this country was founded under the name of the "god" that remains in the pledge, I am not christian myself, but agreed with Kaito, yes, it does remind americans to remain humble. Also to show what this country and the reason its people came in the first place, Freedom.

[asylum51]

if you take out "under God" from the pledge then you must also take out the word "Creator" from the Declaration of Independence. it might offend the athiests as well....

[TwilightPrince]

exactely the pledge is a sign of what our country stands for and also its strength to stay together under God is said cause of what other people that the founding fathers were Christian

[dreadhead20]

keep it in. its been in the Pledge of Alligence for ever.

Yes. we all kno that the politics dont really pleage the alligence under god.

for politics it would be this:

I pledge alligence to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under The Constitution Indivisible for Liberty and justice for all.

I have always kno it for UNDER GOD not UNDER THE CONSTITUTION!

[Kryptik]

keep it in. its been in the Pledge of Alligence for ever.

Yes. we all kno that the politics dont really pleage the alligence under god.

for politics it would be this:

I pledge alligence to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under The Constitution Indivisible for Liberty and justice for all.

I have always kno it for UNDER GOD not UNDER THE CONSTITUTION!

Are people afraid that we will all start worshiping a FLAG instead of the churches GOD?!.. ¬¬....

[Yellow Flash]

It's true. The very first colonists came to America to escape religious persecution and many more followed. Accept it or not the whole idea of freedom was based of religious views that all men were created equal and should have rights. Our entire country (USA) is religiously based on Christianity and it's many branches. So why take away what little unique culture we have to our nation especially since changing any part of the old pledges or documents is frowned upon.

I agreewith Wzrdto25, even though I am not American and live in Austrlia, also I am a born again Christian