Do You Support the No Fighting Policy in Schools?

[takingbackheaven]

In almost all the schools out there, if anyone gets into a fight, they're suspended, no questions asked. They do not give the kid a chance to stand up for themself, even if they were attacked first. It is a minimum of a 10 day suspension, and there could be more problems afterwards.

I do not agree with the procedure they have right now because it causes problems for not only the kid that started it, but the kid who was defending themself. The kid who was defending themself only had the option to fight back, or run.

Say they chose the option to run. This could turn wrong in several ways. The antagonist would only keep pestering them, they would be disgraced in front of the entire school, and they might start thinking they are weak, which could lead to potential suicide.

Say they chose the option to stay and fight after they got punched once or twice. They would then get into trouble and suspended, which would keep them from learning what they need to in order to pass their classes. The teachers wouldn't listen to them, and they might even go to jail. Is this fair for us as teenager in society?

[Helix: The True Hero]

Well of course I support the No Fighting Policy. Prevented fights = peace, dude. =/

[takingbackheaven]

That's the thing. Fights aren't prevented by the policy, It might just even make them worse, because the kids never see it, and when they do they make the other kids out to be heroes.

[kyo]

I think that what you just said is wrong on so many levels, but it could be that I'm just tired and I should probably go take my meds and go to sleep.....

But at the school I went to, my friend got attacked by niggers (and I do mean niggers. Tall, black, gangster-posers) and only got OSS for three days

I support it. Not a lot of fights happen, but when they do they deserve punishment for impeding upon the rights of another

[-RikuKH3]

That's the thing. Fights aren't prevented by the policy, It might just even make them worse, because the kids never see it, and when they do they make the other kids out to be heroes.

Umm actually, they do prevent it. If there was NO policy, there would be fights all the time.

I do think its stupid getting into trouble for defending yourself though.

[Riku-Sora]

My dad always told me if someone tried to fight me at school then I better fight back trying.

The rule needs to be their to try and cause less fights but if I had no choice I would fight back.

[kyo]

I was always told that in my house, as long as I didn't start it, I wouldn't get punished

[asylum51]

at my school, it doesn't matter who starts it, you're both in trouble, so my mom told me if anyone starts one with me, i'm already in trouble, so i have her blessing to kick his ass.

i think every fight is different and whoever provokes it should be considered as well as who throws the first punch, but in the case of a bully and a kid defending himself, i think that the kid using self-defense shouldn't really get in trouble unless they take it too far.

[ShikaX]

hmmm
I believe in it,
but another thing that comes into this is harrassment.

like, at my school, there's this kid that isn't gay (no offense anyone else)
but he like tries to T-bag me and stuff, and the only way to get him off me is to give him a kick.. (my punches SUCK)

and eventually it would get toe the point where a fight starts,
but I was really just defending myself.
then if I said,
"this kid is harrassing me, blah blah"
I might get jumped.

so yeah, to the victim that doesn't like getting in trouble, there's no way to really get out...
but my parents have said that it's better to defend yourself then just let yourself keep getting punched in the face.

[The King of KH]

I was taught to always fight back. I'm gonna get popped in the face and run to the teacher and say "He hit me" and the teacher gives me a pat on the back. Hell no! You can best believe someone is gonna go home, bleeding and it wont be me..........

[xaldin's_my_nobody]

at my school, it doesn't matter who starts it, you're both in trouble, so my mom told me if anyone starts one with me, i'm already in trouble, so i have her blessing to kick his ass.


same here, my mom says "pull out the Guatemalian flare on their asses,"

but if i start the fight... well i might as well be wearing a KKK suit in the middle of east L.A.

[Cookies]

fights are awsome, second best thing in life.

[The King of KH]

Its a stupid policy. I'm against that bull. You cant let someone pop you and go run to a teacher like ur in kindergarden. You gotta fight back like nothins left.

How are you gonna explain to your parents?

"I got in a fight today at school,dad"

"What did you do" Dad said

"I told on the teacher and got on with my life" Soft kid says

lol its not right. You gotta fight back. Ya Digg?

[Juji Kabane]

Hell yeah i do. I have seen some bad things when fighting happens.

[Miss Lockheart]

Ugh, this one's tough. One one hand you like to think your kids can stick up for themselves in a world that's increasingly cruel, on the other hand violence is really awful.

What bugs me is teachers seem less and less able to deal with kids that fight- when I was at school (shaddap it was a long time ago :P) the teachers just waded in and pulled it apart, then dragged the two kids off to the office for bigtime punishment. Nowadays a fight breaks out and it's the teachers that huddle in the corner "ZOMG OH NOEZ SOMEONE HELLLLP ME MY KIDS BE RIOTIIIIING!!!!!" Teachers are so soft!!! Fights happen, no matter what kind of silly policy is put in place, it's how they are dealt with that isn't right these days, kids just have worse fights than ever before and end up nigh killing each other. Sucks.

[mysteryRoxas]

you have to look at it in perspective of the teachers though. i mean, they just want to keep teh students safe, so why not suspend someone?

however, in terms of the student, some people take things too far. At my school, if someone getrs in a fight, both people are suspended, even if the other didnt' fight back, or if it' sjust yelling at each other. Not to mention that my school has gone as far as suspending people who are watching.

[Miss Lockheart]

you have to look at it in perspective of the teachers though. i mean, they just want to keep teh students safe, so why not suspend someone?

however, in terms of the student, some people take things too far. At my school, if someone getrs in a fight, both people are suspended, even if the other didnt' fight back, or if it' sjust yelling at each other. Not to mention that my school has gone as far as suspending people who are watching.

That's true, by doing that they are taking control of the situation (Ok suspending people for watching is extreme, I agree), instead of panicking like I've seen lots of teachers do. Or complaining to the board, which is ignoring the student issue altogether "ZOMG I CAN'T TAKE THIS JOB IT'S TOOOO STRESSFUL". Teachers just need to be a bit tougher sometimes.

[mysteryRoxas]

Well, there are plenty of teachers at my school who are capable of breaking up fights. But the responsiblity to do so mainly falls under the security guards we have.

[Sora-Keyblade]

Dude, without that policy... All kids would be taking guns with them to school..

[cbchick]

at my school, it doesn't matter who starts it, you're both in trouble, so my mom told me if anyone starts one with me, i'm already in trouble, so i have her blessing to kick his ass.

same here. no matter who started the fight in our school, you both get suspended which is kinda stupid.

of course my mom would get mad at me for fighting even if i didn't start it -.-

but all my other family members would've taken my side :]

[asylum51]

same here, my mom says "pull out the Guatemalian flare on their asses,"

but if i start the fight... well i might as well be wearing a KKK suit in the middle of east L.A.

well for me it kinda depends though. my dad was pretty short in school and he was picked on in middle school (in high school he played football, so not so much) so one time he laid this one kid out and pinned him down cause he wouldn't get off his case.

if you define fight as throwing the first punch, then yeah i'm dead; but if starting it means that i instigated it with words, then i won't get in trouble if i was defending someone.

What bugs me is teachers seem less and less able to deal with kids that fight- when I was at school (shaddap it was a long time ago :P) the teachers just waded in and pulled it apart, then dragged the two kids off to the office for bigtime punishment. Nowadays a fight breaks out and it's the teachers that huddle in the corner "ZOMG OH NOEZ SOMEONE HELLLLP ME MY KIDS BE RIOTIIIIING!!!!!"

my mom used to volunteer and she was going to break up a fight and the teacher freaked out b/c none of the teachers were allowed to grab the kids, so if they didn't stop when they said "stop" then they were powerless.... which i think is COMPLETELY stupid.

[mysteryRoxas]

Dude, without that policy... All kids would be taking guns with them to school..

not nececarilly.
People would still bring weapons and such even WITH that policy. There is no guarantee to stop weapons at school, unless there were some kind of scanner at the front doors. However, a scanner wouln't work at my school, since we're an outside school and the classes are all little buildings instead of one huge building

[Miss Lockheart]

We live in an age when anything can happen, there's no guarantee that anything anyone does, be it scanners or rules or whatever, will stop people bringing weapons to school. If they feel threatened enough, they'll find a way around it. Kids are smarter than they get credit for, if it's something they really feel or believe in.

I agree, that there's this whole political correctness thing with teachers, that they can't grab a kid by the collar and pull them away from a fight because it's classed as some form of harrassment for some reason. But political correctness is a whole other can of worms that I could happily rant on about and won't, to save your ears ;)

[mysteryRoxas]

We live in an age when anything can happen, there's no guarantee that anything anyone does, be it scanners or rules or whatever, will stop people bringing weapons to school. If they feel threatened enough, they'll find a way around it. Kids are smarter than they get credit for, if it's something they really feel or believe in.

I agree, that there's this whole political correctness thing with teachers, that they can't grab a kid by the collar and pull them away from a fight because it's classed as some form of harrassment for some reason. But political correctness is a whole other can of worms that I could happily rant on about and won't, to save your ears ;)



agreed

[Deadeye]

to tell you the truth it's just words and they cant stop you from doing anything it's useless to even have guidelines for schools because no one will follow them and when kids do it they get sent home i don't see how thats punishment

[asylum51]

to tell you the truth it's just words and they cant stop you from doing anything it's useless to even have guidelines for schools because no one will follow them and when kids do it they get sent home i don't see how thats punishment

not true. if you bring a weapon to school and get suspended, sure you'll bring it anyway, but it will keep the other students safe.

[Kryptik]

In almost all the schools out there, if anyone gets into a fight, they're suspended, no questions asked. They do not give the kid a chance to stand up for themself, even if they were attacked first. It is a minimum of a 10 day suspension, and there could be more problems afterwards.

I do not agree with the procedure they have right now because it causes problems for not only the kid that started it, but the kid who was defending themself. The kid who was defending themself only had the option to fight back, or run.

Say they chose the option to run. This could turn wrong in several ways. The antagonist would only keep pestering them, they would be disgraced in front of the entire school, and they might start thinking they are weak, which could lead to potential suicide.

Say they chose the option to stay and fight after they got punched once or twice. They would then get into trouble and suspended, which would keep them from learning what they need to in order to pass their classes. The teachers wouldn't listen to them, and they might even go to jail. Is this fair for us as teenager in society?

Well I do support it but would it take away the wrestling team? If they did have a no fighting policy in schools that would mean no wrestling right?. I swear they should put in a "Fighting Team" as a sport as well as a "Wrestling Team","Kung Fu Team",etc. I mean just for Self Protection and precaution from intruders that invade the school when you aren't aware of them and their activities.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Well I do support it but would it take away the wrestling team? If they did have a no fighting policy in schools that would mean no wrestling right?. I swear they should put in a "Fighting Team" as a sport as well as a "Wrestling Team","Kung Fu Team",etc. I mean just for Self Protection and precaution from intruders that invade the school when you aren't aware of them and their activities.

Wrestling and fist fighting are two way different things.

[Kryptik]

Wrestling and fist fighting are two way different things.

How are they different things? They still include in a fighting style and I believe the principle sees it as the same thing. (Some times not always though).

They are both included in fighting. One's to do one thing the other is to do another.

[UltimaxWeapon]

How are they different things? They still include in a fighting style and I believe the principle sees it as the same thing. (Some times not always though).

They are both included in fighting. One's to do one thing the other is to do another.

No, they are very different. Wrestling is a sport, for one. Wrestling requires training and technique. Plus wrestling is an olympic sport, where street fighting, doesn't go any farther then the streets. Also in wrestling, your not trying to hurt your opponent to the point where he's knocked out.

[Kryptik]

No, they are very different. Wrestling is a sport, for one. Wrestling requires training and technique. Plus wrestling is an olympic sport, where street fighting, doesn't go any farther then the streets. Also in wrestling, your not trying to hurt your opponent to the point where he's knocked out.

My point that I'm trying to make is that if they are going to have a "no fighting in school policy" is that most parents will blame all the fighting techniques instead of their own parenting skills and the one who used it.

[UltimaxWeapon]

My point that I'm trying to make is that if they are going to have a "no fighting in school policy" is that most parents will blame all the fighting techniques instead of their own parenting skills and the one who used it.

Wrestling isn't fighting, it's a competeion. The wrestlers aren't trying to physically hurt their opponent. In fist fighting, its anything goes, and you actually are trying to hurt the person you're fighting. In wrestling, you can't throw punches or kicks, or you get disquallified.

[Kryptik]

Wrestling isn't fighting, it's a competeion. The wrestlers aren't trying to physically hurt their opponent. In fist fighting, its anything goes, and you actually are trying to hurt the person you're fighting. In wrestling, you can't throw punches or kicks, or you get disquallified.

Yes but in life if you are fighting you don't disqualified you get injured or killed. Thats my main point that the school is trying to make along with the parents.

[asylum51]

Yes but in life if you are fighting you don't disqualified you get injured or killed. Thats my main point that the school is trying to make along with the parents.

i followed you up until that. what does that have to do with wrestling then? because there are actual moves in wrestling to pin that you wouldn't normally use in a fist fight (unless you were just trying to get out of it) then its not the same as fighting and should not be a problem then.

[Kryptik]

i followed you up until that. what does that have to do with wrestling then? because there are actual moves in wrestling to pin that you wouldn't normally use in a fist fight (unless you were just trying to get out of it) then its not the same as fighting and should not be a problem then.

Well I'm just trying to go through every possibility there is in this kind of thing. I just like to think about every point of view I can to eliminate things that may or may not happen.
But you have to view it as another "fighting style" even if you think it's not I see it that way. Just because a lot of people might think that way. A lot of people think the same way and then again they don't. In this case it depends on the person and their own actions.

[zeffie]

Having a policy is one thing.. however upholding, enforcement and directing students, ( or employees ) to follow a policy is another story.. A policy is a good thing, however it needs to be effective in determent of such actions such as fighting. You cannot utilize subjugation in entire either.. so it's certainly not ever going to be 100% effective, because each person has free will, and will make rash decisions at times.. again on paper, a policy is a good thing, but being effective for practical measures is another thing. Just keep that in mind.

I agree with the no fighting policy, just like I agree with the policy of not placing false sales that are fraud for personal gain in my company. However, enforcement and control of such actions is another issue in entire.

[asylum51]

Well I'm just trying to go through every possibility there is in this kind of thing. I just like to think about every point of view I can to eliminate things that may or may not happen.
But you have to view it as another "fighting style" even if you think it's not I see it that way. Just because a lot of people might think that way. A lot of people think the same way and then again they don't. In this case it depends on the person and their own actions.

i'm just saying you normally don't see wrestling moves in gang fights....

[Xuan]

Support, but knows that violence is in human's blood.

[Kryptik]

i'm just saying you normally don't see wrestling moves in gang fights....

Like I said before it depends on the person who's fighting. People fight each other for their own personal reasons.

[Xuan]

And most of them involves pride.

[Yellow Flash]

Well I believe in it..... but it was really weird at my school, someone jumped on my back, he had been anyoying me for a long time, and I punched him in the head to get off my back, and my housmistress said good job, but I shouldn't do it again..... it was really weird.... and it wasn;t a hard punch.

[Hopeless Heartless]

Fights in school are really pointless in my opinion. Sopmeone hit me in school once and I just went "What are you playing at? We're in school, grow the hell up."
Funnily enough that ended up in me fighting him after school. Ah the good ole days.


But if fights do break out in school, I think teachers should dive in and seperate it asap. Kids can get out of hand fast in a bad way.

[4thkeybladeholder]

I don't believe that there should be fighting in school. There isn't that much reason, considering... It's just school. Though I've been in a couple of fights, and all of them were annoying. Afterwards I wish we had solved it after school, cause the teachers stare at you and make sure your not doing anything wrong. It kinda ruined everything else that I did wrong in school cause they automatically caught me. >.<

After school, sure. Cause then you mostly have good reasons for it. But during school, I don't see a reason.

[Sora-Keyblade]

not nececarilly.
People would still bring weapons and such even WITH that policy. There is no guarantee to stop weapons at school, unless there were some kind of scanner at the front doors. However, a scanner wouln't work at my school, since we're an outside school and the classes are all little buildings instead of one huge building

But at least there are people who stop them with policy.

[Togo]

i dont think people should be allowed to attack anyone in schools but i think people should have the right to defend themselves, the teachers in my school say we should tell them if we are being attacked, but it is a bit hard to tell of someone while being beaten up in a corner.

[Darkwatch]

Point of hilarious entertainment: Most schools have a "no fighting" policy but also teach "natural selection," aka, "survival of the fittest."

I missed something didn't I? Oh the humanity. >:

[Lone Wolf]

Point of hilarious entertainment: Most schools have a "no fighting" policy but also teach "natural selection," aka, "survival of the fittest."

I missed something didn't I? Oh the humanity. >:
The subconscious irony.

Aye, thats the real truth.

[Sora-Keyblade]

Point of hilarious entertainment: Most schools have a "no fighting" policy but also teach "natural selection," aka, "survival of the fittest."

I missed something didn't I? Oh the humanity. >:

Survival of the fittest, lmao.

Probably why 75% of the fights happen. :rolleyes:

[UltimaxWeapon]

The thing in maryland schools is, there is no self-defense laws. Even if you were to get jumped by like, 5 people, you would get arrested because you were involved in the fight. So, they kind of do it for your own good.

[Yellow Flash]

The thing in maryland schools is, there is no self-defense laws. Even if you were to get jumped by like, 5 people, you would get arrested because you were involved in the fight. So, they kind of do it for your own good.

I think that there should be a No fighting policy in schools....but people defending themselves shouldn't get in trouble, like UW siad

[Phantom]

I agree with most people here by saying that fights should be against the rule, but self-defense is right and fine. Personally, if some dude jumps me, I don't care what the rules say. I'm putting that guy in an armbar (brazilian jujitsu ftw :D).

[FlurryOfDancingFlames~]

In short, I support it, but not if it's somebody trying to defend themselves.