circumcision: should it stll be done today?

[Togo]

Well the reason why i am asking this is because i think it is wrong, I think it is unfair that the person does not get a choice also the reason why it is done, some people would say it stops infections but we have something called medicine now. I think it is a cruel surgery. Anyway what is your opinion on it?

[Phantom]

No, it shouldn't be done today. As you've said, it's not a choice. It's forced upon you.

On a side note though, I've heard some girls like it. So I think it should be an option once you're 16-18.

[Miss Lockheart]

Some children have no choice for medical reasons. But as far as religious tradition goes, I don't really understand why they do it, it makes no sense.

As for whether it affects a man's ability to, you know, I can't see it making that much difference. Not that I would know of course.

[UltimaxWeapon]

Ouch. Just the thought of this makes me want to hold on to myself. Wow, that came out really wrong, but it's true. If it is to be done, it would better when you're a baby. That way when the child gets older, they won't remember the pain of it. Unless it's goes against your religion, or something rather.

[Phantom]

Some children have no choice for medical reasons. But as far as religious tradition goes, I don't really understand why they do it, it makes no sense.

As for whether it affects a man's ability to, you know, I can't see it making that much difference. Not that I would know of course.

I believe it's done to umm *cough* prevent "happiness" if you know what I mean. Catholics believe doing that is a sin (not a religious debate, that's a fact). Or at least, it makes it more difficult to do 'that'. In reality, they're trying to keep their kids more sin-free.

[Yellow Flash]

I believe it's done to umm *cough* prevent "happiness" if you know what I mean. Catholics believe doing that is a sin (not a religious debate, that's a fact). Or at least, it makes it more difficult to do 'that'. In reality, they're trying to keep their kids more sin-free.

I'm sorry....but that's what the Catholics believe (no offensive...) It was acctually done by the Jews in the bible to show that they were chosen by God.....I think....but on the subject, no I don't think it should be done, because
1: It's painful
2: What's the point??? (no....I really want to know.....because we can all be acepted by God now/.....)
3: You should be able to choose.....

[Togo]

Some children have no choice for medical reasons. But as far as religious tradition goes, I don't really understand why they do it, it makes no sense.

As for whether it affects a man's ability to, you know, I can't see it making that much difference. Not that I would know of course.

circumcisions would prevent infections, but that was before we had medicine. now we have injections to prevent them. circumcisions in my opinion is just a cruel thing to do so when the baby grows up they cant enjoy sexual relations.

[asylum51]

circumcisions would prevent infections, but that was before we had medicine. now we have injections to prevent them. circumcisions in my opinion is just a cruel thing to do so when the baby grows up they cant enjoy sexual relations.

how would you know you can't enjoy it? have you tried it before and after circumcision?

[Miss Lockheart]

circumcisions would prevent infections, but that was before we had medicine. now we have injections to prevent them. circumcisions in my opinion is just a cruel thing to do so when the baby grows up they cant enjoy sexual relations.

Um my eldest brother was circumcised and he seems to be doing ok in the bedroom *_*

[Togo]

All im saying is that some religions do it for that reason i dont know how it hurts, also i have nothing against the religions what do it, i just dont like what some religions do.

[Miss Lockheart]

I do agree with you actually, it's a kind of suppression. I agree with Yellow aswell when he says that people should be given a choice. I can understand the reasoning that said religions have, and I have nothing against that, but it is a rather unpleasant thing to do to a man.

What makes me more angry is that some religions force females to be circumcised. That is just plain wrong. It has a much bigger effect on a woman's sexual relations than it does for a man. Medically it can't be excused because it is an organ that no other creature has, and it can be incredibly damaging psychologically for a woman to be mutilated that way.

[asylum51]

Um, I kinda assumed males so that's what I'm arguing for.... females though that's a different story entirely, and that makes much more sense. I don't think it would have as big an impact on a guy....

[Phantom]

Um, I kinda assumed males so that's what I'm arguing for.... females though that's a different story entirely, and that makes much more sense. I don't think it would have as big an impact on a guy....

It's said that the infant feels extreme pain, actually. They sometimes fall into a semi-coma because of it.

[asylum51]

It's said that the infant feels extreme pain, actually. They sometimes fall into a semi-coma because of it.

i meant sexually. and i don't exactly remember it, being an infant at the time, whereas female circumcision is done before puberty, which could mean sometime after birth....

[Phantom]

i meant sexually. and i don't exactly remember it, being an infant at the time, whereas female circumcision is done before puberty, which could mean sometime after birth....

Ah, sexually. Though, I've heard it makes 'alone activities' more difficult.

[Miss Lockheart]

Indeed, something I hope never happens to me, and my heart goes out to all the women who have had this done to them :(

Anyways, back to men. Most boys have it done when they are very small, right? I actually didn't know that it could be done after then >.<

[Phantom]

Indeed, something I hope never happens to me, and my heart goes out to all the women who have had this done to them :(

Anyways, back to men. Most boys have it done when they are very small, right? I actually didn't know that it could be done after then >.<

Haha, yes, it can. I believe there are cases where it's needed for medical reasons.

[Miss Lockheart]

Ahhhh I see, makes sense in that context.

[Yellow Flash]

I do agree with you actually, it's a kind of suppression. I agree with Yellow aswell when he says that people should be given a choice. I can understand the reasoning that said religions have, and I have nothing against that, but it is a rather unpleasant thing to do to a man.

What makes me more angry is that some religions force females to be circumcised. That is just plain wrong. It has a much bigger effect on a woman's sexual relations than it does for a man. Medically it can't be excused because it is an organ that no other creature has, and it can be incredibly damaging psychologically for a woman to be mutilated that way.

Yeah.....this might distuget some people, but the reason the men did it was to stop the women from having sex with other men.....they would cut "it" and then sew "it" up and when the man wanted to have sex, they would cut "it" open and well you know........And then sew it up again..........and that's just distugting

[Sam Greenlet]

There really is no need originally it was to keep them free of dirt but if you have access to a computer then you live in a clean society and don't really need it. Plus it hurts a LOT

PS I HAVE NOT BEEN Circumcises YELLOW FLASH

[Yellow Flash]

Are you postitve???.......anyway, yeah I have posted my views

[FlurryOfDancingFlames~]

If they're born into a strict religious background, I can understand, so long as they are going to follow the religion. It's hard for a parent to break the cycle of tradition. However, if there is no traditional reason, I don't think the child should have it done, instead, have it available when they're old enough to make the choice.

[Sora-Keyblade]

If they're born into a strict religious background, I can understand, so long as they are going to follow the religion. It's hard for a parent to break the cycle of tradition. However, if there is no traditional reason, I don't think the child should have it done, instead, have it available when they're old enough to make the choice.

I agree with the quote up there, it should be available when they're old enough, because some people wish to have circumcision to prevent from making any sins, while others.. well, they'd like to keep it for sexual relationships.

[mysteryRoxas]

i don't want to make it seem like i dont' care about babies, because I love babies.
but by the time a baby boy grows up, they arent' even going to remember being circumsized. we grow up not knowing that pain because no one remembers the day they were born except the parents..

plus, some uncircumsized guys find it embarassing because some girls dont' like uncircumsized thingies

[Miss Lockheart]

I'm surprised actually that it would make any difference to a woman, I don't get that at all. If you love someone, you're not really gonna care if they are circumcized or not. Some women are just too picky >.<

[-RikuKH3]

circumcisions would prevent infections, but that was before we had medicine. now we have injections to prevent them. circumcisions in my opinion is just a cruel thing to do so when the baby grows up they cant enjoy sexual relations.

Sorry, but you dont know what you are talking about. You can, and people still get infections and inflammations when not circumcised. Your not going to keep getting shots to prevent that :rolleyes: You also get a lot more bacteria around the area, and have to take more care of it. As in, more and more cleaning. Uncircumcised men have a better chance of receiving HIV, and Penile cancer. There is no cure for HIV or cancer FYI.

And i really have no idea where in the hell you got the idea that people that are uncircumcised men cant enjoy sexual relations. Where did you come up with this. You are what? 13? How would you know this? Just to let you know, the majority of men are circumcised. Its very easy to enjoy "sexual relations".

There really is no need originally it was to keep them free of dirt but if you have access to a computer then you live in a clean society and don't really need it. Plus it hurts a LOT


SUCH a ignorant statement. Just because you have acess to a computer in some way does NOT mean you have a clean life style.


while others.. well, they'd like to keep it for sexual relationships.

Once again, i dont know any of you are getting this. It has no affect on sexual activities.

i don't want to make it seem like i dont' care about babies, because I love babies.
but by the time a baby boy grows up, they arent' even going to remember being circumsized. we grow up not knowing that pain because no one remembers the day they were born except the parents..


Completely agree. Its the when you are born. No one is going to remember anything from that.

I'm surprised actually that it would make any difference to a woman, I don't get that at all. If you love someone, you're not really gonna care if they are circumcized or not. Some women are just too picky >.<

Im not at all. I dont think i have ever met a female who didn't think it was somewhat gross.

Oh, and another thing. The longer you wait to get circumcised, the more it hurts, and the more complicated it is/chance of something going wrong.

[Yellow Flash]

Sorry, but you dont know what you are talking about. You can, and people still get infections and inflammations when not circumcised. Your not going to keep getting shots to prevent that :rolleyes: You also get a lot more bacteria around the area, and have to take more care of it. As in, more and more cleaning. Uncircumcised men have a better chance of receiving HIV, and Penile cancer. There is no cure for HIV or cancer FYI.

And i really have no idea where in the hell you got the idea that people that are uncircumcised men cant enjoy sexual relations. Where did you come up with this. You are what? 13? How would you know this? Just to let you know, the majority of men are circumcised. Its very easy to enjoy "sexual relations".



SUCK a ignorant statement. Just because you have acess to a computer in some way does NOT mean you have a clean life style.




Once again, i dont know any of you are getting this. It has no affect on sexual activities.



Completely agree. Its the when you are born. No one is going to remember anything from that.



Im not at all. I dont think i have ever met a female who didn't think it was somewhat gross.

Oh, and another thing. The longer you wait to get circumcised, the more it hurts, and the more complicated it is/chance of something going wrong.

yeah I agree with this person....and I also believe it should just be for religious perposes........

[Sora-Keyblade]

I agree with the quote up there, it should be available when they're old enough, because some people wish to have circumcision to prevent from making any sins, while others.. well, they'd like to keep it for sexual relationships.

Darn, I completely misunderstood the concept of circumcision. But the process should be best done in childhood to prevent any pain and also to prevent you from any diseases, doing circumcision on a later time might not provide you the full protection you need.

[Yellow Flash]

Darn, I completely misunderstood the concept of circumcision. But the process should be best done in childhood to prevent any pain and also to prevent you from any diseases, doing circumcision on a later time might not provide you the full protection you need.

Yeah, while your young, you don't really remeber anything.........so it is better. I just thought of something, do you have to ask the docter to do it or something? Or does the docter ask?

[Miss Lockheart]

The doctor usually refers you to a specialist clinic with other doctors trained to perform it.

[VenFan]

Of course I don't believe in it. Dudes should have a say in what happens to their "junk." A man and their "junk" is theirs and theirs only. I mean, how would a woman like to have their "jugs" cut off?

[-RikuKH3]

Of course I don't believe in it. Dudes should have a say in what happens to their "junk." A man and their "junk" is theirs and theirs only. I mean, how would a woman like to have their "jugs" cut off?

They wouldn't, but your not having your thing cut off in the first place, just a peice of skin. So that analogy doesn't really work.

[Miss Lockheart]

I can kinda see his point, if it's not through a person's choice, then it's a kind of mutilation really. Even more so for females.

[Chrono Mizaki]

Some children have no choice for medical reasons. But as far as religious tradition goes, I don't really understand why they do it, it makes no sense.

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Because Islam believed that not having a circumsation will be more dirty and therefore spread disease.

Though that's a stupid belief amongst the Islamic religion.

I'm a muslim and I had it done... Never really bothered me. I wouldn't force it upon my children when I have one.

[Miss Lockheart]

That's the best way really. If they do decide they want to have it done, then of course that's their decision and it would be respected. You've got the right idea methinks ^^

[Chrono Mizaki]

Yeah... But at the end of the day, it's hard to explain that to religious parents. I mean... I believe it's mental abuse to 'stamp' a child as a 'Christian' child or a 'Muslim Child'

I'm pretty much offended by myself that I call myself a 'Muslim' xD When I don't really follow the religion (my family does however).

But it's a hard habit for a parent to 'break' out of the traditions. But with many frightening aspects of 'Hell' and 'Eternal Punishment', I don't blame them sometimes. Every parent fear for their kids, and that's why the way of parenting looks 'wierd' to other parents.

[Miss Lockheart]

Agreed. My older family were shocked when my mum's 5th child, my youngest sister, became the first not to be christened (myself, my two brothers and my other sister were, my youngest brother was not though). Even though my family had never been "strict" Methodist Christians (like that even exists- Methodist Christianity is pretty relaxed anyway, just shows you how little my family even knew about it), they still acted like it was the end of the world.

That might not be the best example compared to breaking the tradition of circumcision, but I do understand than it can tough for families to break the cycle as it were.

[mysteryRoxas]

Of course I don't believe in it. Dudes should have a say in what happens to their "junk." A man and their "junk" is theirs and theirs only. I mean, how would a woman like to have their "jugs" cut off?

that analogy doesn't really work. a baby boy isnt having their junk removed, just the extra skin that keeps it from getting infected and stuff at birth. it's a simple procedure that is completely safe for the baby. they recover relatively quickly.

[Togo]

i dont understand why that some religions think it is the only choice of surgery to prevent some diseases.

[Yellow Flash]

He has a point

[-RikuKH3]

i dont understand why that some religions think it is the only choice of surgery to prevent some diseases.

The religious reasons are more for RELIGIOUS reasons than for preventing bacteria and infections.

[Togo]

The religious reasons are more for RELIGIOUS reasons than for preventing bacteria and infections.

really i never knew that before :rolleyes: , im just saying that some religions say that it is the only way to prevent infections,

[Chrono Mizaki]

really i never knew that before :rolleyes: , im just saying that some religions say that it is the only way to prevent infections,

The only way to really prevent infection and disease is to stay as a virgin for the rest of your life or when you have sex, use contreception.

Simple logic really...

[Togo]

The only way to really prevent infection and disease is to stay as a virgin for the rest of your life or when you have sex, use contreception.

Simple logic really...

well they could do that but yeah i think they shouldnt have to do circumcisions now.

[zeffie]

well they could do that but yeah i think they shouldnt have to do circumcisions now.

Circumcisions really are not up the individual when done at birth.. so for argument's sake it really does not yield a free choice, however it is certainly the responsibility of the parents or parent to decide if such is needed. For religion, as far as being a Christian, such doesn't really have any effect..

"Galatians5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

It really doesn't have any logical conceptual implication in regards to Christian faith, or an individual's stance with God, if such a person makes a choice to follow faith in God.

[trish01chiu]

in our country.. when boys are not circumsised at the right age.. they are teased by other kids.. telling them that they are coward .. etc. when my brother was circumsised, it seems ok with him.. he didnt even mind the pain..

[roxas #13]

quick question...cause i dont know anything about this stuff

Does every guy have to get a circumcision in some point of their lives...or is it something Some guys have to get...CAUSE I DONT WANT IT TO HAPPEN!!!

[trish01chiu]

if youre catholic you need to be circumcised... its a tradition thing..

[roxas #13]

if youre catholic you need to be circumcised... its a tradition thing..

but...what if your not catholic...you could still get circumcised right???...it matters you could still get enfected

[-RikuKH3]

really i never knew that before :rolleyes: , im just saying that some religions say that it is the only way to prevent infections,

Well from what you have said so far in this thread, i wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know that.

Does every guy have to get a circumcision in some point of their lives...or is it something Some guys have to get...CAUSE I DONT WANT IT TO HAPPEN!!!

No, you dont have to.

[trish01chiu]

Well from what you have said so far in this thread, i wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know that.



No, you dont have to.

i think so...

[Chrono Mizaki]

but...what if your not catholic...you could still get circumcised right???...

Nope... If you're born into a Muslim, Jewish or Catholic Christian family, then by religion, you must have one.

But if you live in a country where people have rights, then you don't have to have one.

it matters you could still get enfected

That's an old tale... As long as you wash it regulary and don't go around having sex with every girl without using contreception, then chances are you won't get infected.

[Miss Lockheart]

You're supposed to be taught by your parents at a young age how to keep yourself clean ^^

[Chrono Mizaki]

You're supposed to be taught by your parents at a young age how to keep yourself clean ^^

Well supposed...

But in reality, these days... Modern Parents are too embarrased to talk about even the 'bird and the bees'

[Miss Lockheart]

That's totally true, finally someone else who noticed that!!!!

Parents should really think harder about what they are doing when it comes to their kids >.<

[-RikuKH3]

i think so...

Umm no, you dont. Unless for religion reasons, you dont HAVE to have one. In that case, every male in the world would be circumcised, and that is not the case at all.

[Chrono Mizaki]

That's totally true, finally someone else who noticed that!!!!

Parents should really think harder about what they are doing when it comes to their kids >.<

There are adverts on British Television about STD and Condoms that I wonder if it's even having an affect on British Parents or just 'taking away' the hard work from the parents.

Parents: Well if the school and advertisement are teaching the kids about them sort of stuff, then I won't have to bother.

Kids are being taught that kind of stuff even at the age of 9-10 in England. Because 'parents' are too embarrased to talk about them kind of stuff.

Teachers can teach you many kind of stuff, but one thing they cannot offer that parents can is reassurance, love and trust.

I wonder whats the situation like in 'America'.

[Miss Lockheart]

I dunno, I live in England too XD

It really is like that over here, and I do myself wonder how it is in America, are they as nonchalant over there as they are over here? It's pretty serious that so many parents seem to think it's ok to offload what they should be teaching their kids, expecting schools to deal with it. It's wrong.

But I think we digress, old chum ^^

[kh_master08]

I actually would promote circumcision. Not for medical, or religious purpose..just that, it looks good after, looks cleaner..and yea....it is cleaner after(I'm not saying, uncircumsised, it doesn't look clean..it's just easier that way if you know what I mean)..

I don't wanna go into details, cause this is a public forum..:p
But hey, have it or not..what do you have to lose, right?:)

hey try having Filipino parents..you'll see them talk about good hygiene..:p

[Togo]

Nope... If you're born into a Muslim, Jewish or Catholic Christian family, then by religion, you must have one.

But if you live in a country where people have rights, then you don't have to have one.



That's an old tale... As long as you wash it regulary and don't go around having sex with every girl without using contreception, then chances are you won't get infected.

you dont get circumcised if your catholic christian, i didnt .

[Chrono Mizaki]

you dont get circumcised if your catholic christian, i didnt .

But then again, Christian don't follow every law in the Bible like Muslim do with the Qu'ran.

[Togo]

But then again, Christian don't follow every law in the Bible like Muslim do with the Qu'ran.

i dont think most christians like the idea of circumcision. what do muslims think the benefits are by getting their baby circumcised (the religious reason)?:confused:

[-RikuKH3]

i dont think most christians like the idea of circumcision. what do muslims think the benefits are by getting their baby circumcised (the religious reason)?:confused:

Yes they do. Most christains (along with the majority of the population in general) are circumcised.

[Togo]

Yes they do. Most christains (along with the majority of the population in general) are circumcised.

they do it in the united states but not the UK, thats probably why i havent been or anyone at my school.

[kh_master08]

Christians in Europe mostly don't (or prolly they do)..Most people I know don't..
In the US, they do..and other christian countries..especially the Philippines..

my god, the pressure of getting circumcised in the philippines is heavy. Kid's get circumcised as late as grade 5-6..if you go overboard that time limit kids start picking on you. I got circumcised when I was grade 5...

And again, you don't have anything to lose right?(except some skin:p )..and for the other reasons I stated before..

[FlurryOfDancingFlames~]

I suppose so, it has all been ok for you, which is great, but what about those people that didn't want circumsision?

[Kryptik]

Well the reason why i am asking this is because i think it is wrong, I think it is unfair that the person does not get a choice also the reason why it is done, some people would say it stops infections but we have something called medicine now. I think it is a cruel surgery. Anyway what is your opinion on it?


This is very similar to "Euthanasia" in my opinion and I'll tell you why.

First of all it depends on 1.) How badly the persons (Eternal,Physical) form is, 2.) Who's making the decision, 3.) How bad the condition is and how much they have to do to treat the infection,wound,etc.

Euthanasia thread (http://www.kingdomhearts3.org/showthread.php?t=20489)

[Darkwatch]

It's hardly cruel. If anything it helps, because 1) you get it done when you're a baby so you can't remember it and 2) it actually increases sexual pleasure, because otherwise foreskin gets in the way.

It stops certain infections, and it is perfectly healthy.

Someone help on how this is a bad thing to do. =/

[Miss Lockheart]

2) it actually increases sexual pleasure, because otherwise foreskin gets in the way.

Are you sure about that? O.o hmmmm I haven't heard that one before, must be right though, but it's kinda hard to believe

[Chrono Mizaki]

2) it actually increases sexual pleasure, because otherwise foreskin gets in the way.

It stops certain infections, and it is perfectly healthy.

Someone help on how this is a bad thing to do. =/


Wrong... Its the oppisite infact. Since the foreskin have many nerves, simply stripping it off 'reduces' it.

Plus the infections and such are totally a old wife tales.

I actually disagree though. Cruelty or not, a kid 'should' have a right to make it's own choice when it's older.

Like a child shouldn't be forced to be what someone else want them to be. Not to have a 'muslim' or 'christian' stamped onto them. Not to force them to do... stuff they don't want to do (unless it's chore and such)

Its their body, so parents shouldn't allow the baby to be mutilated because of some pathetic stupid book that been passed down 2000 years ago.

[Miss Lockheart]

Wrong... Its the oppisite infact. Since the foreskin have many nerves, simply stripping it off 'reduces' it.

Yeah that's what I thought....

[K H P]

Well, until you are 18 years of age, it is your parents who make medical decisions for you. This I believe is medical, because people say it prevents some infections, while the person above said it's a "wives tale". So, parents choose to do it at birth for the simple fact stated that you can't remember it. So unless your parents have not done it at birth, and suggest you do when you are older than 18, then it is the males choice.

[robbie makin love]

when its forced upon u as a child its usually for religous reasons
i agree this isnt really fair
its your body and beliefs, surly they should wait for the time when you can make this disicion yourself
however i do not think it should be stopped all together
some men who arnt religous have it done anyway
apprently its better hygene

[Lone Wolf]

This might well be the case on a lower scale, but the only people who circumcise their children because of their religion are Jews. I'm sure you know why, but I'll explain anyway.

When God made his covenant with Abraham, he ordered him and his people to be circumcised. No, not really for that medical purpose, but for the distinction. It was a way to identify the Jewish nation. Let me tell you something, the greater majority of people who circumcise their children are not Jews, and if they are christian, then its not for religious regions either. The first council of Jerusalem made it clear that the gentiles did not need to follow the mosaic law.

I'm only saying this because I really hate any kind of stereotype....and people, not naming anyone, who think its wrong to foster a child under the wings of religion. Of course the child will be biased, but once its eyes has been open to the world, it can make its own decisions whether it's parent's want to or not.

Now that that is out of the way...

I don't really know what the big issue is. I don't think its cruel or wrong because the child doesn't know it. Picture it this way. Let's say a child was born with an extra finger, at birth the parents are given the chance to have it removed by surgery or let the child grow with it. Either choice will not affect the physical health of the child. If the parents choose to remove it, then when the child is older it might thank its parents or not(I know people who would like an extra finger@.@). Now if you choose to not do it, when the child is old enough to make it's own decisions, it might be afraid of the surgical procedure and be mad at its parents for not doing that at birth. It might on the other hand thank the parents.


You just don't know how the child will react to such a process. Whether its circumcision, or cutting off an extra finger. People think differently.

Now if you yourself have been circumcised and disagree I will sympathize with you completely, but if your not circumcised and make a real big fuss about it than I don't know why you're arguing. You can't really defend someone else unless you understand what they're going through.

[Togo]

This might well be the case on a lower scale, but the only people who circumcise their children because of their religion are Jews. I'm sure you know why, but I'll explain anyway.

When God made his covenant with Abraham, he ordered him and his people to be circumcised. No, not really for that medical purpose, but for the distinction. It was a way to identify the Jewish nation. Let me tell you something, the greater majority of people who circumcise their children are not Jews, and if they are christian, then its not for religious regions either. The first council of Jerusalem made it clear that the gentiles did not need to follow the mosaic law.

I'm only saying this because I really hate any kind of stereotype....and people, not naming anyone, who think its wrong to foster a child under the wings of religion. Of course the child will be biased, but once its eyes has been open to the world, it can make its own decisions whether it's parent's want to or not.

Now that that is out of the way...

I don't really know what the big issue is. I don't think its cruel or wrong because the child doesn't know it. Picture it this way. Let's say a child was born with an extra finger, at birth the parents are given the chance to have it removed by surgery or let the child grow with it. Either choice will not affect the physical health of the child. If the parents choose to remove it, then when the child is older it might thank its parents or not(I know people who would like an extra finger@.@). Now if you choose to not do it, when the child is old enough to make it's own decisions, it might be afraid of the surgical procedure and be mad at its parents for not doing that at birth. It might on the other hand thank the parents.


You just don't know how the child will react to such a process. Whether its circumcision, or cutting off an extra finger. People think differently.

Now if you yourself have been circumcised and disagree I will sympathize with you completely, but if your not circumcised and make a real big fuss about it than I don't know why you're arguing. You can't really defend someone else unless you understand what they're going through.

Hmm you have a good point there, but I think they should wait until the child is 18 so then they have a choice.