Kairi, Namine and Xion theory? [Archive]

AuronVincent

09-19-2008, 02:12 AM

Hi everyone, it's been nearly....ohhhhh.......8 months since i've here, and i've missed alot of info. but after reading some of the threads, i have a bit of a theory.

I'm just putting this out there, and i'm not sure if it's right or not. but here we go.

Considering that Kairi is a special being in KH, there might be a possibility that Namine (being a special Nobody) might be the representation of the LIGHT in Kairi, while Xion may be the representation of the DARKNESS in Kairi.

This is kinda of outlandish but hear me out.

In the case of Namine, she is shown wearing all white, a strong link to the light. Also, her character never shows any signs of evil intent. She may be the pure Light side of Kairi's being.

Now in the case of Xion, she wears the black coat and (apparently) has very dark hair and darkish skin, thus leaning towards the darkness. Also, she shares a similar voice to Kairi. She may be the Dark side of Kairi's being.

I would also like to point out that we never see Namine using a Keyblade, while we see Xion wielding said Keyblade. Therefore Namine could be side of Kairi unwilling to fight, and Xion may be the combative side of Kairi.

Basically, Namine and Xion may be the polar opposites of Kairi's being.

This may also explain why Xion is so interested in Roxas, Sora and Kairi.

So thats my theory, what do you think?

Key of Valor

09-19-2008, 02:31 AM

I think this idea is very interesting.
It doesn't explain though where
Xion's physical being came from
but despite that this idea does
bring up an interesting concept
of Namine of Light and Xion of
Darkness. However, there is one
key thing that I would have to
name as a contradiction to your
theory, this being that Kairi has no
Darkness within herself since she
is a Princess of Heart with a pure
heart of Light. Certain elements of
this theory are still possible and I
think your idea could find a way
around the dilemma of Kairi's
lack of Darkness if you were to
include the influence of Darkness
from an outside source.

lionsbarrage

09-19-2008, 02:37 AM

while some stuff u said is true, alot of this idea isnt supported, by the facts, merly just looking at the events its understanable to make up an idea, espcially since i have seen this done before in other tv shows or video games.

Namine is a nobody like all the rest, however she was made differently, and she acts differently as well. However everyone has light in them, but it doesnt exactly relfect when a nobody is born by normal means, so they tend to be evil. In XIon's case u said for her to be the represented by the darkness of Kairi. But she has no darkness, thats why for Namine to even be there had to be from an outside source wether it was Sora or someone else. Like KoV Xion had to be from somewhere else and if she was of darkness, which is not proven yet, than it couldnt be from Kairi. The dark skin has been a sign of darkness however its been discussed before that she may not have dark skin at all. Reasons being that the hood creates a shadow over her skin, or like Ansem the wise as DiZ could mask the skins color appearance to be more tan.

Now i wont deny there has been talk about XIon being another repesentation of Kairi, or another alter ego, but how and why there is no support of either way, though it is an idea, alot of people think.

AuronVincent

09-19-2008, 02:42 AM

Like i said, it's just an idea and a theory

but thanks. this may have some substance.

And i realise that Kairi is a Princess of Heart, therefore there is no Darkness within her. but like you said, there might be an outside influence of Darkness.

lionsbarrage

09-19-2008, 03:47 AM

Yes but then it would have to be only related to that outside influence, and not directly related to Kairi. Since in any event Namine's composistion came from darkness already, wether it being from Sora or soemthing else.

AuronVincent

09-19-2008, 03:54 AM

okay i'm RREEEEAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYY sorry i'm double posting, but i have a little support for Xion for being more leaning towards the Darkness

If you remove the X from her name you can get these combinations

- Noi
- Ino
- Ion
- Oin
- Nio
- Oni

now the last one, Oni, in japanese translates to "Demon" or "Ogre"

however i'm going for the first one, "Demon"

any thoughts?

lionsbarrage

09-20-2008, 12:14 AM

well one of my team emembers also did like an uncovered som vast info in regards to i think ino and ion or something. Anyways what he got were things meaning water, casting magical veils, i.e. meaning sort of how Aqua can cast reflect in the trailer. Its far more detaield than what im saying right now, but thats just the basis of it.

Valamphias

09-21-2008, 06:02 PM

queen garnet

10-04-2008, 06:42 AM

nice theory though it doesnt explain how xion was created but thats ok.:cool:

Paradise

10-05-2008, 06:28 PM

Nice theory. I kinda agree with you.
I still think that 358/2 Days has to deal with the lives of 3 people over the course of 358 days.

358
x 2
-----
716 = 7 + 1 + 6 = 14, the number of the people in the Organization at the time.

I forgot how I got three people lmao but I think it could possibly have 3 scenarios: Xion, Riku and Roxas' scenarios.

lionsbarrage

10-05-2008, 11:49 PM

Thats just it, when people perceieve that number they think 358 days.

BUt the titel goes as 3 5 8 over 2. as in three five eight, not three hundred and fifty eight.

Valamphias

10-07-2008, 12:32 AM

Thats just it, when people perceieve that number they think 358 days.

BUt the titel goes as 3 5 8 over 2. as in three five eight, not three hundred and fifty eight.

Three five eight days over two.

lionsbarrage

10-07-2008, 01:10 AM

actually its 3 5 8 over 2 days.

Valamphias

10-08-2008, 12:39 AM

*facepalm*

Wikipedia has led me astray. I should've known better. =/

soli_cantare

12-20-2008, 10:12 AM

hey AuronVincent,

I had quite a similar theory, although I see many things WRONG with my theory already... so humor me. :rolleyes:

I thought maybe Xion could be Kairi's Heartless since Namine is Kairi's Nobody.

CONS -
[1] Xion is in the Organization, so she must be a Nobody? Althought it doesn't say officially... I am most likely wrong.

[2] As in other replies, Kairi is a Princess of Heart and has no darkness.

However.. why I even considered this theory

PROS -
Remember how Ansem had a Heartless form (which Sora beat in KH1) AND a Nobody form (which Sora beat in KH2). Sora also had a Heartless form (the lil cute monster in Hollow Bastion KH1) and a Nobody form (Roxas). I thought maybe Xion could be Kairi's Heartless, because she looks like her and this could also explain why she would be able to wield a keyblade. Although my theory still has the two above mentioned "cons" which kind of undermine my theory :p boo hoo :SWEAT:

I need to read the pages of ansem's reports again... but thanks for reading! My friends don't play the game so I don't think there's anyone else I could share this theory too haha.. :D

OH also maybe could explain why it wasn't "Organization XIV" instead of "Organization XIII"? She might've not been a Nobody? Apparently she has some sort of "tragic end". I dunno I'm getting confused by all the new characters and haven't been keeping up... I don't even know who aqua or the other guy in the secret kh2 ending are :SWEAT:

Key of Valor

12-20-2008, 06:20 PM

Well Xion can't really be Kairi's
Heartless for two reasons:

Kairi has a pure heart and thus
no darkness to make a Heartless.

Heartless need hearts to exist,
and Kairi's heart returned to her
vessel when it was released from
Sora.

If you want some information on
the new games, you can check out
the main threads at the top of each
subsection that each game has.

And welcome to the forums.

soli_cantare

12-20-2008, 07:01 PM

Ty for the welcome!

Yeah I already figured why Xion can't be Kairi's Heartless for those reasons and scrolling through some of the other forums. I am just utterly bothered how this character sort of popped out of nowhere. It's a little irritating to me when creators randomly add people for some reason or other and try to wedge them into the storyline. It can make somewhat perfect sense (as in when they added Namine) or it can make complete b.s. ... better be a good one hehe!! Guess we'll find out in good time though. :p

lionsbarrage

12-20-2008, 11:37 PM

welcome to the forums, but to let u know ur not supposed to double post.

Anyways what was said is all true, but also adding that we dont think or more so seen heartless being able to wield a keyblade as XIon could "assuming" hers is real.

Kazyest

01-18-2009, 06:35 PM

Umm first off i think
Namine is Kairi's Nobody (no duh):D
Xion is Kairi's Heartless

I think this is not as important as who is SORA'S Heartless?

lionsbarrage

01-18-2009, 11:14 PM

Kairi could not become a heartless since she is a princess of heart and Sora's heartless was that little shadow u controlled in KH1.

xaxisa

01-18-2009, 11:16 PM

I loved controling that shadow.....
Anyways Kairi has a nobody not a heartless
Xion may not even be a nobody...

Mattysandwich

03-13-2009, 09:39 PM

I like your theory too and one point on why there would be an dark nobody for Kairi is because of how Kairi lost her heart. Kairi is a princess of heart which meant that she was pure light and that the heartless couldn't touch her. However in Kingdom Hearts when Destiny Island was engulfed in darkness, the sheer amount of darkness caused Kairi to lose her heart and for it to be placed inside Sora's. If your theory is right then this could be the moment for when Kairi lost her heart for a split second and with all that darkness surrounding them that the nobody Xion was made. If that's true then it makes sense she can wield a keyblade because Kairi could. Also this would also explain why she can remember details about Kairi but not her name because like Roxas, the heart was not afloat long enough for Xion to get all of the memories. Also going on the translated name I think it was meant to be "Oni" since she seems to be the darkness. Also since she is a second nobody to Kairi this could also be what she meant during the trailer when Xion asked how two people could be the same and also why she constantly questions her own existence. One more thing before I sum myself up since she would technically be the second one of Kairi's nobodies, it could be why Riku called her a fake when they fought in the cut scene. Finally if this theory is right then that would make Xion Kairi's own official nobody since Namine was a combination of Kairi and Sora.

Emily the Penguin

03-13-2009, 10:34 PM

Xion = Darkness, Naime = Light. I like this theory! It makes sense if you look deeply into it. I also like your theory of Xion being the side of Kairi that is will ing ot fight and Namine the exact opposte. Brilliant, yet simple!

risi

03-17-2009, 07:24 PM

Wow, you people take video games vary seriously hear.

I mean not to crush you're creativity or enything, but don't you think this is a little extreme?

FISHY CRACKERS

03-17-2009, 10:08 PM

I'm not sure what she is, if she's 'special' to Kairi she can't be a nobody, because we have Namine, she can't be a heartless, because Kairi's heart has no darkness, and she can't be... well, normal for obvious reasons. Unless, of course, square starts pulling new enemy types out of their ass.

Key of Valor

03-18-2009, 12:29 AM

Well actually, Xion could very well be a Nobody.
Just because Namine is Kairi's Nobody, doesn't
mean that Xion can't also be some kind of special
nobody of Kairi's. The fact that Kairi even had
a Nobody shows how it's possible for someone
to produce a Nobody even if that individual does
not leave behind their vessel. There were special
means that allowed Namine to exist as Kairi's
Nobody, so perhaps there could be special means
for Xion to come into existence as Kairi's
Nobody as well.

andersm

03-21-2009, 08:56 PM

Well these are all wonderful ideas... WHY DON"T YOU LOOK AT THIS INFO???

When Sora released his and Kairi's hearts, he released the 6 princess' hearts in the dark keyblade.

THINK ABOUT IT!!!

xaxisa

03-21-2009, 09:06 PM

Well these are all wonderful ideas... WHY DON"T YOU LOOK AT THIS INFO???

When Sora released his and Kairi's hearts, he released the 6 princess' hearts in the dark keyblade.

THINK ABOUT IT!!!

1) welcome
2) do you even know what you're talking about?

andersm

03-22-2009, 11:38 PM

Keyblade_Knight

03-22-2009, 11:54 PM

okay how about this

For Kairi's heart to get into Sora it had to leave her body. Thus a nobody should of been created at that very moment. Then Sora relased his heart and Kairi's at Hollow Bastion, and this is how the creation of Namine, Roxas and Xion came to be.

I think Namnie was created first because they never really tell you when she was created and it seems as if she was being held captive be Org.XIII for a while. Then when Sora relised his and Kairi's heart Roxas and Xion were born, thus allowing Xion to weild a keyblade just like Roxas and also explaining why she was affecting Sora's memories as stated by Namine in a 358/2days trailer.

Key of Valor

03-22-2009, 11:59 PM

Yes I do have some idea as to what I'm talking about...
Ok maybe not so much, BUT STILL!
He released his and Kairi's heart. But the other princess' hearts were also "released."
This means there's combination possibilities of 40,320 nobodies, which is kinda scary...:eek:

Sorry if I'm being n00bish...:SWEAT:

I understand what you're saying, but just because a heart is
exposed without a vessel, doesn't mean a Nobody is automatically
born. Nobodies are essentially born because a vessel is left behind.
Nobodies need composition so if there is no vessel left behind, there
has to be some factor to provide Nobodies with a physical form.

okay how about this

For Kairi's heart to get into Sora it had to leave her body. Thus a nobody should of been created at that very moment. Then Sora relased his heart and Kairi's at Hollow Bastion, and this is how the creation of Namine, Roxas and Xion came to be.

I think Namnie was created first because they never really tell you when she was created and it seems as if she was being held captive be Org.XIII for a while. Then when Sora relised his and Kairi's heart Roxas and Xion were born, thus allowing Xion to weild a keyblade just like Roxas and also explaining why she was affecting Sora's memories as stated by Namine in a 358/2days trailer.

Actually, it's been confirmed that Namine was born as a Nobody the same
time Roxas was born. Whether she existed as something other than a
Nobody before that is unknown.

Even though Kairi's heart left her vessel on Destiny Islands, her
vessel remained in the same state and didn't become a Nobody.
For a Nobody to be born at that event, there would need to be
an outside source to provide the composition of a Nobody.

Xuan

03-23-2009, 01:04 PM

Xion... shouldn't be either Sora or Kairi's Nobody. It might be too early to say this but, during the scene where Riku was holding Xion in his arms, she said 'Who the heck am I?'

And the last part was cut away pretty quickly, so even if Xion continued to live on, she shouldn't be the Nobody of either two.

andersm

03-23-2009, 05:38 PM

Oh that makes sense...:(
<sits in corner and thinks...>

Edlynn_xD

03-23-2009, 10:00 PM

In my opinion I'd have to say that that is an absolutely marvelous theory. ^^

Kudos to you. It makes sense. If what you're saying is true...then mabye Ven (Roxas Look-A-Like) is the light or dark side of Sora. (Im not sure what Roxas is)

Like I said in that other thread i posted on: Mabye theres a third person. Like after the nobody gets created, something else gets created too. :]

I really like your theory. Good Job xD

DarkSoldier

03-24-2009, 12:01 AM

If a nobody is created what else is there left from the 'life' to even make something else? If the heart is consumed by the darkness, and turn into a heartless you create a nobody. The body & soul is left behind.

To make a life in the Kingdom Hearts Universe:
heart
body
soul

If the heart is already consumed by darkness leaving the body and soul what else is left? Basically nothing else, so there possibly isn't a "third person" after a nobody is created. It wouldn't make much sense either. And yes it has been confirmed that nobodies are the body and soul, not just the body.

andersm

03-24-2009, 12:25 AM

What about Unbirths?

DarkSoldier

03-24-2009, 12:31 AM

Unbirths might be created by something else. It doesn't necessarly mean it has to be created from the soul, etc. In my opinion, unbirths have something to deal with the heartless; hence the heart. Unbirths have something to deal with the heart.

I wonder though if Master Xehanort indeed created the unbirths; this is why they are extinct from the world right after Birth by Sleep due to Master Xehanort gone. He went on with Terra (my idea) to make Apprentice Xehanort, who is a seperate entity. The thing that gives me thoughts if indeed Master Xehanort created the unbirths and Apprentice Xehanort created the heartless and both unbirths and heartless are very similar to each other it makes me wonder if this is another good example of Master Xehanort somehow involved with Apprentice Xehanort.

andersm

03-24-2009, 12:40 AM

Tying this (somehow) to the subject;

Don't Aqua and Xion look like twins?

DarkSoldier

03-24-2009, 12:42 AM

Not really. I think the only resemblance Xion has towards Aqua is more of the hair color, but then again not really much. Xion has a bigger facial resemblance to Kairi.

andersm

03-24-2009, 12:51 AM

I just read this from the Kingdom Hearts Wikia Article;

It is thought that unlike Namine, who is a Nobody of Kairi born from Sora's body, Xion could be a Nobody born solely of Kairi, or a Nobody of Sora born from Kairi's body. The opposing color schemes the two Nobodies have could thematically represent their opposing births. However, Xion's name does not fit the naming scheme of the other Organization members, as it should be an anagram of "Kairi" and "X" if she was Kairi's Nobody. However, her name could in fact follow the naming scheme which Xehanort's does - If the "X" is removed, his name is an anagram of "No Heart". Xion's name easily fits this pattern - for her, the anagram would be "No I", possibly implying that unlike the other Organization members, she doesn't have a somebody. This would also play into the reason why the Organization remains "Organization XIII", even with her in its ranks.

In one of the trailers for 358/2 Days, Naminé talks about "leaked memories". It is speculated that Sora's memories, like the data in Jiminy's Journal in Kingdom Hearts Coded, that something would happen to the real world if they themselves were not corrected, therefore the theory about Xion not having a somebody could be true, if she herself is the leaked memory.

The whole Sora body+Kairi soul, Kairi body+Sora soul seems to make sense.

Xuan

03-26-2009, 05:43 AM

No, this time in BBS the soul has more significance than the heart. From Terra's search for the 'Princess of Hearts' 'Pure Hearts', it would seemed that the research for hearts is just touching the hide. BBS should be the beginning of the quest to understand hearts.

Soul, at that time, should be a common knowledge to Keyblade Wielders at least, shooting up their strength, agility, magic with the power of life. This should be the reason of the creation of Unbirths, or at least what had attracted the attention of Unbirths just like hearts attracted Heartless and Nobodies.

So that means... That Unbirths are seeking out a person's soul, a person's life force because they are 'Unbirths'... Perhaps almost like Undead, in Kingdom Hearts sense? Or, could they be human beings that have been deprived of their life force and turned into Unbirths? Then, who is the 'mother' of Unbirths?

babalulover1

03-28-2009, 09:12 PM

Edlynn_xD

03-30-2009, 11:13 PM

DarkSoldier

03-31-2009, 11:28 AM

.... ummm i like ur theory...=] butttttt
what if its like this.. -> kairi's nobody is namine.. makes sense right
well people are saying xion is related to thm somehow
but she can't b part of kairi...
cuz she's the princess of hearts n has no darkness
so xion n namine can't both be kairi's nobody
what if xion isn't a nobody..
she could b related to them somehow
I agree with this. But Xion can be a nobody, and Namine not being her nobody. If I recall, during the development of COM, Namine wasn't ever suppose to be Kairi's nobody. She was suppose to be a different character. Besides Namine came from Sora. She's more of Sora's nobody than Kairi. Kairi didn't make Namine. Sora did. Also, Xion can be a nobody but I don't really buy much into that. She can be related to Roxas and Sora's memories creating her thus that keyblade has a 'keychain' because it is made up of memories. Xion couldn't have been made the day at Hollow Bastion since thats exactly when Namine was born. If I recall, Nomura only said Namine and Roxas were born at the same time. Namine born at Castle Oblivion, while Roxas born at Twilight Town. Xion, if anyway she was born I see her being born during the night at Destiny Islands but since Kairi stayed intact with her vessel in the Realm of Light and never turning into a heartless she didn't make a nobody. Xion also might be Aqua related due to Roxas' memories due to his lookalike from her old friend, Ven. This can also work with Sora. Sora is the one who looks like Ven. Sora is the key in the connection of Ven-->Sora. Sora might have looked like Ven at an early birth. Since Sora looks like Roxas (in the game characters eyes), then Sora looks like Ven and since he was already 4 at the time during Birth by Sleep his 'birth' (Sora's birth) might have dealt with Ven.

so my theory is XION IS KAIRI'S GRANDMA!<33
makes sense.. her grandma was in radiant garden
later disappeared whn it disappeared
so think about it ;]
like my theory??
No. Family doesn't really have much importance in the universe of Kingdom Hearts. Besides Xion looks very young, about Kairi's age. Nobodies tend to look like their original selves (since they did come from the body and shell from them) so they have to be the same age.

KAARI_KAINE230

04-18-2009, 06:14 PM

ok. wow.
here's my mini theory: (it's very random)

Namine is Kairi's nobody, because she just is.
Xion can't be her heartless, because she has no darkness.
Well, what if when the people in KH are born, there is an equal amount of darkness and light going into somebody, and when the princesses of heart were born, there was some kind of issue and the darkness didn't take. So my actual theory of the Xion is that she came from that left over darkness meant for Kairi. I guess that would explain why she looks so much like Kairi, just different hair, and has that fighting side that Namine ould rather avoid :)

lionsbarrage

04-19-2009, 12:04 AM

If that were true that would mean the other 6 princesses would also have some people simialr to Xion.

KAARI_KAINE230

04-19-2009, 04:57 AM

That's true, but it is possible. The other 6 aren't exactly major characters, and it wouldn't have mattered yet, or they might explain it once the game comes out. I don't know, just a thought. lol

KH2 Mikoto

04-19-2009, 06:50 PM

If that were true that would mean the other 6 princesses would also have some people simialr to Xion.

Come to think of it, when Xehanort left Ansem, he took 6 apprentices right?
(I've been away for too long I've forgotten A LOT of things...)
Would it be possible for the DS to be one of the apprentices? For example, like how Xigbar got the eye patch and scar? Thought it's probably 99.9% incorrect.
But Master Xehanort said: "Those who submit to darkness are not qualifed to wield they keyblade." But yet, the DS appears to have a Keyblade-like object. And from reading the posts by Lionsbarrage, DarkSoldier, and Key of Valor, the theory of the different realms is highly probably.

So if Xion were that way, then Square might have to make another KH game including the 6 princess' Unbirths/Nobodies/what they're called.

I've been away and caught up with so many things, my KH memory is very rust. I apologize for any incorrect info.
<3

Yami_The_Key_of_Darkness

06-24-2009, 08:52 AM

She is an imperfect replica of Sora created by Xemnas in case Sora turned out to be useless to the Organization's plans. She was part of an intended series of replicas (her name being an anagram of her initial designation number, "No.i"), though this series ultimately went unrealized. As Sora's memories are the basis of her being, Xion resembles Kairi, who is Sora's strongest memory. Like Sora and Roxas, Xion can wield a Keyblade leading to a brief confrontation with Riku. During her time with the Organization, Xion closely befriends Roxas and Axel, but eventually leaves as she develops more of Sora's traits in conjunction to Naminé's attempt of restoring Sora's memories. After discovering her origins, Xion falls into a deep depression and begins to fall apart mentally.

Xion, having taken on Sora's physical appearance and now completely insane, later approaches Roxas in Twilight Town to become the "real" Sora by absorbing Roxas. After fighting, Roxas defeats her, and Xion regains her sanity and original appearance. Xion tells Roxas that she is glad that they were friends and reveals the true intentions of the Organization, pleading with him not to let Xemnas have his way. Roxas absorbs Xion's degenerating body, gaining the use of her Keyblade which results in his signature dual Keyblade fighting style.