View Full Version : Xion/Aqua bringing BBS full Circle.
lionsbarrage
09-19-2008, 03:56 AM
Here it is u guys, ur long awaited theory from me.
When the theories were sent in, I’m surprised no one made a theory connecting the real Aqua to Xion. I guess I am going to be the only one. I do admit it was tough, and not easy to connect in every aspect, and while this theory still has holes and questions like any other, that’s what a theory is, and I hope it will entertain you. A quick note though about when I make my theories, I sometimes look for what is not there and what isn’t answered, asked, and what not. Sometimes it gives u great ideas, answers, and possibilities u ordinarily can’t come up with. So here is my theory.
We have seen posts and scans about the 14th member named Xion. I am not going to mention any of the talks about her voice or appearance, because as far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t matter because it’s based on people’s opinions and the appearance, as far as we can tell there is none. Now when we look at the scans
http://www.khinsider.com/images/fam/3581.jpg
http://www.kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=img/ND2.jpg
See anything? Well if you haven’t already figured it out, in every scan, at least ones with XIon holding the kingdom key or the keyblade belonging to her, you notice that there isn’t one showing the entire thing. Meaning where is the keychain? We’ve seen this before with the weapons of Terra, Aqua, and Ven in BBS and the same with Riku’s dark keyblade from KH1. Now this isn’t to say that there isn’t one, however it could also be a clue as to why Riku thinks it is a fake.
Now when thinking of Xion, something popped into my head. The name Xion comes awfully close to the name “Zexion” now of course I didn’t think Zexion had anything to do with Xion or Aqua, but Zexion’s abilities did come to mind, as well as Namine’s. In CoM we could see that Zexion was able to disguise himself as Sora when fighting Riku. He looked like Sora and had a “kingdom key” as well. Riku was able to see through him though. Now I ask myself if Aqua is able to do the same or something similar. Well why not? She is magic orientated, and I believe the motive for such a thing is there as well. She may have had to change her appearance and or keyblade to fool the org. and anyone else for that matter that may know who she really was. All Except for maybe Xemnas, who knew. This meant leaving her keyblade and armor behind. Another part of change and abilities came from Namine, she was able to change the appearance of Kairi’s charm to that of her own, so she could have done the same probably with other stuff I’m guessing. When Riku fought Xion, he questioned the keyblade as a fake and was shocked by her appearance. This can mean many things, for example he called it a fake, a fake can mean it wasn’t a keyblade, or it was the “kingdom key” but could very well be a keyblade or something closely related. As for the appearance, same thing, Riku could have seen through the disguises of her and questioned them, same as Xion questioning why Riku looked like an org. member, with Riku promptly agreeing.
I also asked myself, why is it that Roxas began to remember Sora and choose to leave, going to look for him if he was given no memories from the start? Also why did Sora have a hard time awakening, I mean he existed just fine without Roxas, so why couldn’t he wake up without him, and why were the memories being a part of it? Well the answer could lie with Xion/Aqua. Perhaps she knew of the situation of Sora/Roxas, and in order to help Roxas being how he looks like Ven and was in need of help or something, Xion was probably able to take Sora’s memories and implant them within Roxas. Xuan was the first to think this up and it does seem to fit, which would explain a number of things such as, Sora’s memories flow out, not being able return to his normal self without Roxas, since he know holds Sora’s memories, and by that influence of Xion, can turn out to be why he chose to leave the org. and go in search of the answers to the memories and questions he asked. It may also answer the fact of carrying Sora’s memories could affect her, especially if at the same time Namine is messing around with them.
For an explanation of “Way to the dawn”. I believe Aqua/Xion is responsible for that as well. In BBS we saw that Terra, Aqua, and Ven were most likely in charge of the 3 keyblade we saw and know. Well Terra we could guess sent the KK to Riku or intended it for him. Ven held “way to the dawn’ and Aqua with the inverse KK. But what of “Way to the dawn” when Ven asks to be erased or for that matter is gone and Terra is evil? Perhaps Aqua took responsibility for it as well. If Soul Eater was in actuality Way to the Dawn how did it turn? I believe Aqua could’ve held the keychain for it. While Maleficent had possession of the blade itself, and gave it to Riku during KH1. And during KH2 Aqua handed the keychain to Riku, or on the other idea, Aqua had “Way to the dawn” the entire time but had it disguised as the KK, and gave it to Riku sometime near the end of KH2. Maleficent surely knew more than anyone though, considering she knew Riku was supposed to have KK and had a hand in Riku having Soul Eater if it generally used to be Way to the Dawn.
In closing, I’d like to say that Xion, is Aqua based on the fact it brings everything full circle. Xemnas being Terra, Roxas looking like Ven and may have something from him. And Xion being Aqua, trying to help her friends out, at least one of them anyways. I’d also like to thank some people for helping to come up with ideas, because without reading them, I wouldn’t have come up with similar ideas to make my own theory. So I hope u guys enjoy it.
Yellow Flash
09-19-2008, 09:57 AM
I like it.........it makes a lot of sense.........I clap you *claps*
I like it more when it included my name HAHA. Anyway, it is a good job. It is a full circle, but you forgotten something. Ven/Roxas, Aqua/Xion, Xemnas/Terra, Xehanort the Heartless/Master Xehanort. The forth person of the mystery.
Way To The Dawn... that part is the one I liked the most.
queen garnet
09-19-2008, 07:03 PM
impesive!!a very good one!!it may actually come true!
lionsbarrage
09-20-2008, 12:16 AM
I like it more when it included my name HAHA. Anyway, it is a good job. It is a full circle, but you forgotten something. Ven/Roxas, Aqua/Xion, Xemnas/Terra, Xehanort the Heartless/Master Xehanort. The forth person of the mystery.
Way To The Dawn... that part is the one I liked the most.
Well it would be the same of Terra and Xehanorts heartless as well. Im not sure if Master Xehanort is mixed in or not, but that goes with another theory entirely.
Key of Valor
09-20-2008, 02:55 AM
Great theory. It was well writen and well thought up.
However what would have Aqua been up to if she has
been at active force for all this time. Ten years is a long
time to be doing nothing. Only thing I really don't agree
with is when you said Malecifant gave Riku the Soul Eater
and though he obtained it from his encounter with her,
I don't necessarily believe she handed it to him. I think
she instead taught him how to summon it himself. To
obtain Way To Dawn though I agree that someone likely
gave it to him and Xion/Aqua is perhaps the most likely
possibility. The reference to Zexion in this theory makes
some interesting points and connections. I think it was
most interesting though how this theory suggests that
the Keyblade is 'fake' while Xion is 'real'.
lionsbarrage
09-20-2008, 04:24 AM
10 years to be doing nothing is a biot of a hole, as for an explanation i don think there is one if it turns out to be her. I mean at least for year until the heartless arived the worlds were somewhat at peace, and i think that the speard of darkness and heartless was unoticed for thsoe on other worlds further from the central point, being HB, from this i mean she coulda busy doing other stuff, but i dont think its that important pertaining being in the middle of the whole action.
I dont think Soul eater though was something to summon. I mean when we see a keyblade or even the weapons used in BBS, we could see a summon effect, SOul eater though just appears flat out, nothing special, soo i believe maleficent had a hand in Riku obtaining it, that is whats most likely, even if she didnt just hand it over, but then again it would make sense in a certain way dating back to maleficent's and Aqua's confrontation in BBS.
To answer Key's question about why ten years of not doing anything (Aqua), the answer is in one of Nomura interviews, and my theory (Er, random super long posts).
"The events of KH is ineviatable."
Ten years of doing nothing because she wanted the past to be gone and buried forever. If she reveals herself, perhaps the unthinkable events in BBS would come back, for she is one of the past.
But as you can see, it did come back, it was unavoidable.
Key of Valor
09-20-2008, 04:54 AM
If Aqua had been at active force the whole time,
some kind of event in KH1 must have enabled
her to get involved where she couldn't have before.
I see how Malecifant could have been the one to
give Riku the the Soul Eater but from there I can't
easily make the connection between Soul Eater and
Way To Dawn even though we know that they share
a connection where from Riku's Soul Eater came the
Way To Dawn.
EDIT: ...About Aqua, I failed to consider that after BBS
maybe she just 'got on with her life' thinking that the
conflict had ended.
lionsbarrage
09-20-2008, 04:57 AM
Well i think it suggests an awnser or idea to weapons or keyblades without keychains, and ones with.
But i mean for Aqua, before we even heard of a 14th, we had no idea there was another person in the background doing stuff, soo maybe she could have done stuff in the 9 or 10 years, and we just dont know what.
*points at previous post*
Hello!
lionsbarrage
09-20-2008, 05:08 AM
yeah i totally disreguarded that last post, cause it was a poor answer ....
lol i dont Nomura actually said or was pertaining to that as a the awnser, but seriously it doesnt really awnser anything even if what u said was true, burying the past and stuff, i think what was meant is why is it when all the bad things happen, what does she do about it, like what would her part be?
Hmm, maybe I didn't explain it correctly...
If you had a horrible past and you're the only one living to tell about it, would you tell it to anyone - or do anything related to it - and relieve those past memories? You wouldn't. You might live on, and in Aqua's case perhaps she lived on for her friends, but it would be an everyday of hiding, darkness, fear, and desperate for death.
What would you expect her to do? Walk out of the streets and say hello?
lionsbarrage
09-20-2008, 05:48 AM
Thats just strictly judging someone to react that way. People are different, i mean sure someone, maybe even her can choose to do that, but thats not definite for everyone. Thats the key right there.
Key of Valor
09-20-2008, 06:18 AM
If Aqua had simply survived BBS she is either
A) Living out her life, most likely not too affect by
BBS or at least not enough to be desperate for
death. She had moved on for the most part, though
it probably wasn't easy.
B) She's busy doing something else. Ha, funny.
Ten Years is too long to be doing nothing and
yet too long to be doing something. Not to
mention Nomura has expressed that he wants
to tell four untold stories and among those
stories never hinted the ten year period in which
Aqua may have been actively involved in other
pursuits. Nomura might have to add a fifth story
to his list then if this is true.
Ten years too long? Wrong, my friend. Ten years is probably too short for someone who just wanted to die, but can't do so for some reason.
As you say lionsbarrage, it is a possibility. So next time, choose a better phrase of saying "I don't like it".
lionsbarrage
09-20-2008, 06:55 AM
" i dont like" is a matter of opinion, but ur trearting this particulary thing as a fact though. AS i said some people may feel that way but come on, not everyone would, espcially in a game like KH. In any case its like i said, without some big fight or journey what would there be for Aqua to do? besides maybe find a way to bring Xhenaort back or trying to find him in the first place actually. If so maybe she couldnt do a thing as well. Assuming that she had no way to travel to other worlds, surely in BBS there musta been a way, but at the same time different from what we know. Thing is i wouldnt judge Aqua in anyway from what i see and from what Nomura says, which he already has said some of the traits of Aqua.
It just sound like a fact. Besides, it's not confirmed yet.
lionsbarrage
09-20-2008, 08:03 AM
Theres no proof either way, u just contradicted urself.
Burning Oblivion
09-20-2008, 08:23 AM
tl;dr. abridge it for me lb. Also, check your pm's.
lionsbarrage
09-20-2008, 08:42 AM
Please do not spam BO, and as a note i have u on ignore, so w/e PMs u send me i do not get and therefore cannot read.
Exactly. No proof otherwise, so you can't disregard any facts completely even though it sounds ridiculous to you. You uphold your belief, I uphold mine.
What I meant was that my post sounded like I was stating a fact. Does that mean I was stating one? No. You and I both know that it is just a theory. So stop saying that I'm contradict myself. You know that I wasn't stating it as a fact.
Sure, KHI has ridiculous theories, but its up to us to find grains of truth and
inspiration from it so we can learn more.
Same as here. Poor or not, what I said has a possibility of coming true. By saying that you totally disregarded that post is to ignore a possibility. Is that right when you're being a theorist?
Anyway, BO, please forget about recruiting lions. I don't think it's possible, one way or another. Unless he changes his mind.
Burning Oblivion
09-20-2008, 04:06 PM
Please do not spam BO, and as a note i have u on ignore, so w/e PMs u send me i do not get and therefore cannot read.
I was asking you to summarize it as it's very long.
And I don't care about FM+ anymore. Re:Com has been confirmed coming, so we were both right. No need to talk about it anymore.
Exactly. No proof otherwise, so you can't disregard any facts completely even though it sounds ridiculous to you. You uphold your belief, I uphold mine.
What I meant was that my post sounded like I was stating a fact. Does that mean I was stating one? No. You and I both know that it is just a theory. So stop saying that I'm contradict myself. You know that I wasn't stating it as a fact.
Sure, KHI has ridiculous theories, but its up to us to find grains of truth and
inspiration from it so we can learn more.
Same as here. Poor or not, what I said has a possibility of coming true. By saying that you totally disregarded that post is to ignore a possibility. Is that right when you're being a theorist?
Anyway, BO, please forget about recruiting lions. I don't think it's possible, one way or another. Unless he changes his mind.
What was that about? I never said anything contradictory to this theory.
KH2 Mikoto
09-20-2008, 10:04 PM
That theory just blew my mind!
Another thing I remember is that in KH1, the so called "Ansem" just used his name. Anyone could be using Xehanort's let alone Ansem's name for all we know.
I want this game to be released sooooo badly!!
lionsbarrage
09-21-2008, 01:35 AM
Same as here. Poor or not, what I said has a possibility of coming true. By saying that you totally disregarded that post is to ignore a possibility. Is that right when you're being a theorist?
I guess u u didnt notice the lol part about it did u? much like u do at the end of ur typing jokes.
Never did i say poor, im just saying that u tend to write them up as facts, which will of course appear bad or inconsiderate to the other reader/theorists. Thats why ud want to show them its an idea, instead of appearing as fact, even if u didnt intend to do so.
Valamphias
09-23-2008, 03:57 AM
That's actually a really impressive theory. I have a couple of small qualms which I'll mention, but they aren't really against the theory as a whole so much as tiny little parts.
She may have had to change her appearance and or keyblade to fool the org. and anyone else for that matter that may know who she really was. All Except for maybe Xemnas, who knew.
If Xemnas knew that Xion was Aqua, then why would he feel compelled to go talk to her armor in the Room of Sleep (at least, I think this happened in the Room of Sleep - it's been a while since I've looked at the FM stuff)? Of course, personal feelings would be out of the question, since he's a Nobody and all - so maybe it's possible that, even though he knew the true origins and intentions of Xion, he would still talk to that pile of armor. *shrugs*
I also asked myself, why is it that Roxas began to remember Sora and choose to leave, going to look for him if he was given no memories from the start? Also why did Sora have a hard time awakening, I mean he existed just fine without Roxas, so why couldn’t he wake up without him, and why were the memories being a part of it? Well the answer could lie with Xion/Aqua. Perhaps she knew of the situation of Sora/Roxas, and in order to help Roxas being how he looks like Ven and was in need of help or something, Xion was probably able to take Sora’s memories and implant them within Roxas. Xuan was the first to think this up and it does seem to fit, which would explain a number of things such as, Sora’s memories flow out, not being able return to his normal self without Roxas, since he know holds Sora’s memories, and by that influence of Xion, can turn out to be why he chose to leave the org. and go in search of the answers to the memories and questions he asked. It may also answer the fact of carrying Sora’s memories could affect her, especially if at the same time Namine is messing around with them.
Roxas didn't choose to leave because he started remembering Sora - he left to discover why the Keyblade chose him (an erranous belief, since it chose Sora, but he wasn't aware of that at the time). Then again, I do remember hearing something about Sora's memories cropping up a little bit in 358/2 Days, so I may again be incorrect, but there was nothing to suggest that he left because of Sora.
The reason Sora didn't wake up until Roxas 'merged' with him could also be because Namine wasn't finished with her work until shortly beforehand, and AtW decided to keep Sora sleeping for just a little longer until he was complete again - not just a heart, but body and soul as well.
Just my two cents, anyway - gotta love speculation.
lionsbarrage
09-23-2008, 04:15 AM
If Xemnas knew that Xion was Aqua, then why would he feel compelled to go talk to her armor in the Room of Sleep (at least, I think this happened in the Room of Sleep - it's been a while since I've looked at the FM stuff)? Of course, personal feelings would be out of the question, since he's a Nobody and all - so maybe it's possible that, even though he knew the true origins and intentions of Xion, he would still talk to that pile of armor. *shrugs*
WEll i guess it would time of events. That would be my answer since, why would he talk to the armor aaround the same time? Theres obviously something connected to that affair.
Roxas didn't choose to leave because he started remembering Sora - he left to discover why the Keyblade chose him (an erranous belief, since it chose Sora, but he wasn't aware of that at the time). Then again, I do remember hearing something about Sora's memories cropping up a little bit in 358/2 Days, so I may again be incorrect, but there was nothing to suggest that he left because of Sora.
The reason Sora didn't wake up until Roxas 'merged' with him could also be because Namine wasn't finished with her work until shortly beforehand, and AtW decided to keep Sora sleeping for just a little longer until he was complete again - not just a heart, but body and soul as well.
Just my two cents, anyway - gotta love speculation
It was not just because of the keyblade. He knew there was A guy named Sora out there, which is why he mentioned it during the fight with Riku, there was signs about him and the dreams along with the 14th and other stuff was all contributed to him in going to search, for Sora.
Its also plainly fact that Sora needed Roxas to wake up, Namine had mentioned it, that as i qoute "and in order for Sora to be completely whole again, he needs you Roxas." They wouldnt go thru all that trouble capturing ROxas and tuff, if they did not. But is also something i wondered which is why i put it into the theory of why they musta needed him and why was he getting memories of him.
Valamphias
09-23-2008, 04:31 AM
It was not just because of the keyblade. He knew there was A guy named Sora out there, which is why he mentioned it during the fight with Riku, there was signs about him and the dreams along with the 14th and other stuff was all contributed to him in going to search, for Sora.
He did mention it during the fight with Riku, didn't he? Nevermind then.
Its also plainly fact that Sora needed Roxas to wake up, Namine had mentioned it, that as i qoute "and in order for Sora to be completely whole again, he needs you Roxas." They wouldnt go thru all that trouble capturing ROxas and tuff, if they did not. But is also something i wondered which is why i put it into the theory of why they musta needed him and why was he getting memories of him.
To be whole, yes, but not necessarily to wake up. As you've said already: Sora was running around just fine without his other half for a while there. While its entirely in the realm of possibility that Xion could have had something to do with it, I just find the more logical explanation being that AtW wanted Sora to be whole and complete before using him for his plans. Taking Roxas also served in weakening the Org. slightly as well, since that was one less member AtW would have to deal with later on.
Of course, after Sora became an active force any plans Ansem may have had pretty much went up in smoke - Sora just started doing his own thing, and took out the second half the Org. with on his own accord.
lionsbarrage
09-23-2008, 04:51 AM
Theres also the fact of RIku mentioning to Sora that he went out looking for ROxas because hthought it would help SOra wake up, POint is Sora needed Roxas, as for the memories and XIon having a point its like i said in the theory, IF XIOn is Aqua, there must be a sentimantal reason why SHe would help ROxas be reunited, Sora's memories were having problems, so Clearly Namine couldnt restore SOra to exactly the way he was, thus not waking up without some ingredient. IM SUre isf they didnt need ROxas for Sora, she would awaken him, but what is key is That Roxas is the key for Sora.
Valamphias
09-23-2008, 05:08 AM
Theres also the fact of RIku mentioning to Sora that he went out looking for ROxas because hthought it would help SOra wake up, POint is Sora needed Roxas, as for the memories and XIon having a point its like i said in the theory, IF XIOn is Aqua, there must be a sentimantal reason why SHe would help ROxas be reunited, Sora's memories were having problems, so Clearly Namine couldnt restore SOra to exactly the way he was, thus not waking up without some ingredient. IM SUre isf they didnt need ROxas for Sora, she would awaken him, but what is key is That Roxas is the key for Sora.
Riku thought Roxas was needed, and AtW did say as much, although part of me wonders if Ansem was really telling the truth there, or simply said that so Riku would just go capture the Nobody.
Ansem seemed like he was in control of the situation, and that Namine was working under him when she was repairing the damage she did to Sora's memories. That makes me thing that he was the one that would choose when Sora awakened, not her. The pod he was sleeping in was more than likely controlled by the computer Ansem was using as well - another factor pointing to Ansem's control of the operation, and his decision regarding when Sora would awaken.
That being said, Roxas held half of Sora's power. For him to be reverted completely to his pre-Heartless experience, Roxas was a necessary factor. Roxas' dreams regarding Sora's memories could only be due to his connection with his Somebody, as well as his close proximity to Sora during Namine's work.
It's just - until more information becomes available, that's just the most likely scenario from my point of view. I'm not completely ruling out Xion having a part in it, nor am I trying to completely shut you down here. Besides - at this point we're only talking about one little part of your theory - the rest of your theory doesn't have anything that I can see going against it (in fact, certain parts make a lot of sense to me), at least in regards to common knowledge in the KH universe.
lionsbarrage
09-23-2008, 05:37 AM
Ansem may have seemed in charge, but he was more of a planner than anything. Ansem was not in command of when Sora would wake, becuase he isnt able to do anything.
In a NOmura report the pod was connected to Ansem's computer, however it had no control over Sora, its only monitered him. Roxas's memories were not as a result of just Sora, only becuase it pertains as to why he didnt have any in the first place. Now being in the fake TT may have contributed more of a factor since the Sora and the fake TT are both connected to the same source.
Ansem did seem as leader of this particular team, but seeing how he would question as to what is needed to awaken Sora by asking Namine, he only acted accordinly, at least thats what it seem from the info on 352/8
Valamphias
09-23-2008, 05:41 AM
Yes, Days should be most illuminating on this little subject.
And I was referring more to the computer controlling the pod, which, in turn, was what was keeping Sora in stasis. In that sense, Ansem did have a lot of say as to when Sora would wake up, although that didn't stop Namine from walking up to the keyboard and awakening Sora while Ansem was off getting his own beauty sleep.
Did he question Namine as to what Sora needed? I recall him questioning her about something - just not that.
lionsbarrage
09-23-2008, 05:48 AM
Well in the recent stuff form 352/8 He questioend as to the memories of Sora and why Namine was having trouble with them, And then he asked what does Namien foresee, so he was always looking after, to see if there was anythign he had to do to help. Namine could have awaken Sora on her own, without Ansems help "if" she was left in CO, but seeing how it was dangerous there, and never knew she would have ah ard time, she decided to go with Ansem.
Oh yeah lions, when is our theory gonna get posted up again?
Valamphias
09-23-2008, 05:02 PM
Well in the recent stuff form 352/8 He questioend as to the memories of Sora and why Namine was having trouble with them, And then he asked what does Namien foresee, so he was always looking after, to see if there was anythign he had to do to help.
I'm gonna have to look at some of this stuff again, then. My memory is apparently failing me.
Namine could have awaken Sora on her own, without Ansems help "if" she was left in CO, but seeing how it was dangerous there, and never knew she would have ah ard time, she decided to go with Ansem.
And by going with Ansem, she essentially handed over control. =/
lionsbarrage
09-23-2008, 11:33 PM
I'm gonna have to look at some of this stuff again, then. My memory is apparently failing me.
And by going with Ansem, she essentially handed over control. =/
not really, since he couldnt do a thing, what he only did was provide shelter from the org. and create the fake TT for Roxas, 358/ will prolly show more, but thats just form KH2.
Oh yeah lions, when is our theory gonna get posted up again?
what are u talking about?
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