Sora's Heartless

[10th Legion]

Sora's nobody is Roxas, however for that to be true, he must also have a heartless. My question is who is it and what role does he play?

[Sora]

Well, when you try to drive and turn into Anti-Form, you BECOME a heartless.

[Riku]

lol Not quite. Sora became a Heartless in Kingdom Hearts I. That was when Roxas was created.

Thanks to Kairi's heart, Sora was able to become whole again. But Roxas still existed.

[Riku-Sora]

This is just one of those rare moments that a heartless can turn back human again. I dont think anyone else was able to pull it off.

[matthewgrey]

Sora's nobody is Roxas, however for that to be true, he must also have a heartless. My question is who is it and what role does he play?

that is true

[matthewgrey]

mi neme is matthew

[Xigbar23]

So that little shadow thing that Sora turned into at Hollow Bastion in KH1, was his heartless?

[Kairi*]

idk if that was ihis heartless,or not!?!?!?!?

[Roxas The key to destiny]

it was his heartless

[Artemist]

he was turned into a heartless that wasnt his heartless

[Khaos]

It was his Heartless. Its instinct was to go to Kairi, as he could sense her Heart. The creature you became had no memory of Sora at all. It was just simply controlled by the player and moved to where Kairi and the others were.

[Graeme151]

It was his Heartless but...
it's hard to bel;ieve Sora's heartless is just a Shadow. i'd have expected something cooler from the main character.

[sora in the dark]

It was his Heartless but...
it's hard to bel;ieve Sora's heartless is just a Shadow. i'd have expected something cooler from the main character.

tell me about it

[xxSora13xx]

It was his Heartless. Its instinct was to go to Kairi, as he could sense her Heart. The creature you became had no memory of Sora at all. It was just simply controlled by the player and moved to where Kairi and the others were.


Yeah thats true.

[soul of darkness]

Well I would think that sora would be more like Xernort's heartless where you could easly tell it was Sora.

[KH4life]

tell me about it


Really. lol.
YOU STOLE MY AVATAR PIC!! lol. just kiddin dude. lol
Back too the point. Sora i don't think has a heartless, does he, idk.
Owwwwwwww, my head hurts now. lol

[Nikkikuh]

Sora doesnt have a heartless because he turned back from being one.

But at the time when he turned into one, Roxas was created.
But even if Sora still returned to human form, Roxas still exsisted =]

[medo94]

that was fun i wen i turn in to a shadow i went im a shadow im a shadow bonig it was awome :)

[The Real keyblade Master]

not really all it could do was jump

[Twilight Dragon]

Ok Sora doesn't have a heartless..... remeber back in Kingdom hearts... Sora turned into a heartless and you were a shadow for awhile till Kiari turned you back to normal...

And besides if Sora did in fact have a heartless he couldn't weild the keyblade in Kh: COM or Kh: 2.... because you need a strong heart to weild a keyblade... In which case he has a stong heart..

[RIKU OBLIVION MASTER]

Sora doesnt have a heartless because he turned back from being one.

But at the time when he turned into one, Roxas was created.
But even if Sora still returned to human form, Roxas still exsisted =]

nobodies is'nt exist ya know?

[JOSUEKUSCO11]

your right man.i'm new call me final sora k.

[JOSUEKUSCO11]

your right man.i'm new call me final sora k.dude its called Anti Sora jeez!:mad:

[shrugo]

dude its called Anti Sora jeez!:mad:

Did you just get pissed and flame urself? LOL!

[skullblazer]

he can't turn heartless. because it will ended the story. im not to sure lol

[Chaser's Apprentice]

It kinda sounds like you haven't played kh1 where Sora turned into a heartless in Hollow Bastion.

[xXxnamine10]

well that is true i get it:p

[Frogs557]

in kh1 he did become a heartless when he committed hara-kiri with his keyblade. and yes, he did retain his emotions and feeling, maintaining control of his body and memories of being sora. kh com says so.

[Chaser's Apprentice]

...>.>, *Cough* NECROPOSTING! *Cough* yeeeaaaa! ^^,
'<GOEZ DEMYX, LUXORD, AND THE HOUSE TEAM>'

[mysteryRoxas]

Techically, it is tru that Sora has to have a heartless to have a nobody, but he doesn't have one (anymore), and this is why.

When Sora gave up his heart to save Kairi, he lost his heart to the darkness and became a heartless (the shadow you play as in the first game). When he follows Kairi and the others, she realizes that this particular heartless is really Sora and uses the power she has as a Princess of Heart to save his heart from the darkness and bring him back, changing him from a heartless back to a human.

[x_XTacTX_x]

:/ Sora became a Heartless in the first game when he commited hara-kiri to save Kairi. But hanks to her he was aved.

[Zana]

This is just one of those rare moments that a heartless can turn back human again. I dont think anyone else was able to pull it off.

Ive got a proof that says againt what you said. I have CoM and Axel says that its weird how Sora got his free will after becoming a heartless. He also says that just one other has made it before. Look at this youtube clip!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FJSk-0uS5D8
Its starts at 00:55
I think he means Ven.

[Xykru]

Heartless in Kh1=Sora's Hearless.

You play as this lovely little shadow up until you reach Kairi again, where her voice pulls his heart back from the darkness, returning him to his whole body. Durring your joyus little time as a black speck, Roxas was born.

So, The reason we KNOW this is Sora's heartless:

a) when sora returned, it was through the heartless Kairi grabbed.
b) he has memories of being the heartless, and mentions it a couple of times
Ex: trying to use his voice to reach Riku while he was in the darkness, which in theory would have wourked, had 'Ansem' not taken full control of riku.

[SoraRoxas285]

Thats a good point there. but yeah i agree with you. IT seems as if heartless are not full heartless*

[lionsbarrage]

Ive got a proof that says againt what you said. I have CoM and Axel says that its weird how Sora got his free will after becoming a heartless. He also says that just one other has made it before. Look at this youtube clip!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FJSk-0uS5D8
Its starts at 00:55
I think he means Ven.

This is a common mistake people make when they see that line by Axel.

What he actually means is that when Sora became a heartless he keep his free will and self awarness. Meaning unlike other heartless he acted pretty muc the same way, cept he couldnt talk, he didnt behave like all the other heartless, Which is exactly how XH acted when he turned into a heartless. That is who Axel is refering to when he said only one other was able to do that.

[SoraRoxas285]

This is a common mistake people make when they see that line by Axel.

What he actually means is that when Sora became a heartless he keep his free will and self awarness. Meaning unlike other heartless he acted pretty muc the same way, cept he couldnt talk, he didnt behave like all the other heartless, Which is exactly how XH acted when he turned into a heartless. That is who Axel is refering to when he said only one other was able to do that.

Exactly, which explains why he has an anti form and that he can control it because of how much heart he has and how much his friends influence him. He can control it of course because he is a keyblade master of course, But also because of his heart. The main reason why he was chosen in the first place is because of his strong will, and about his relations with Ven. Since it seems as if Ven also had a strong heart and wanted to Protect Terra also, and thats why he laid his own life instead of loosing his friend. Like what Sora would do.

[sora520]

So that little shadow thing that Sora turned into at Hollow Bastion in KH1, was his heartless?

yup it was

[SoraRoxas285]

His frigen Nobody is hella raw though!. hahaha hes sooo strong! ya you know its Roxas. hahaa

[AnsemDiz]

Sora's nobody is Roxas, however for that to be true, he must also have a heartless. My question is who is it and what role does he play?

In anti form, you're like a dark side of sora without a keyblade. Like how you fought Roxas's shadow in KH2 while descovering the Seven Wonders of Twilight Town. But in KH1 you play as Sora's heartless. Which was a Shadow. You had to find Kairi and turn human again. That's the only time sora was a heartless.

[xsxctiggax]

>.< Maybe we see Sora's Heartless in KH3?!
Or it just died [or something] when Sora came back?!?!?

[lionsbarrage]

it basically dissapeared when Sora came back, so no we wont see it.

[~VeN~]

Sora's nobody is Roxas, however for that to be true, he must also have a heartless. My question is who is it and what role does he play?

Well,Sora became a heartless in Hollow Bastion(Radiant Garden)in KH1 to save Kairi....

[Keyblade Master Damien]

Ok, I might be wrong on a couple of things so bear with me.

Sora became a Heartless to save Kairi. After stabbing himself with the Princess Blade, he became a shadow. why the weakest form? because he was a pure heartless and not artificially made. In the orginial Ansem's Reports it said that all artifically made heartless were branded with the insignia, so that explains that. As for why he couldnt weild the keyblade as the heartless....ok that answers itself.
If that confuses you.......let me stop before i say something that will get me in trouble.
The creation of Roxas is only shown by his actual presence in KH2, hes not exactly present at all before that. (off topic i know, but what are you gonna do)
The Anti-form, although powerful has been refered to as the Heartless form. But is only really a drawback of having so much power. (either that or he needs to find the receit for the clothes). But lets assume for the time being that the Anti-form is in fact a form of Heartless. All it would be is an insane form of the shadow, with an attitude problem. And if that were in fact the case then there would be a lot of Roxas' running around. And if you played on a difficulty higher than beginner than you know how many times you changed into that annoying little pain in the.....-sigh-

Any way Sora = Heartless one time=one Roxas; end of story

[AnotherX]

lol Not quite. Sora became a Heartless in Kingdom Hearts I. That was when Roxas was created.

Thanks to Kairi's heart, Sora was able to become whole again. But Roxas still existed.

So then you are saying that Roxas is 1 year old? Because when Sora became a heartless in Kingdom Hearts I, he was 14,15? Then in Kingdom Hearts II, Sora is 15,16? Then 1 year passed. So you are saying that Roxas is 1 year old?

[lionsbarrage]

Well Roxas was only as old as Sora was when he became a heartless, or his image was reflected fro mthe age of Sora. technically ROxas only existed for around a year.

[Ventus The Wind]

After he did the thing with the dark keyblade, he was a heartless. then Kairi brought him back.
He still has dark powers from that. (Anti-Sora)

[vinzone]

well... if its true... then we should watch for it...

[AnotherX]

Well Roxas was only as old as Sora was when he became a heartless, or his image was reflected fro mthe age of Sora. technically ROxas only existed for around a year.

So then how does Roxas have a family?

[lionsbarrage]

Roxas doesnt have a family. andSora doesnt have the dark powers from heartless persay, but mainly from his new suit powers and drive forms.

[vinzone]

they both don't have a family but they both have a friends around them... u can still call them a family... and its still a mystery on how sora was born...

[lionsbarrage]

its not really a mystery for Sora.

[fridge61]

Sora does have a family. In KH1 his mum calls him and tells him that dinner's ready. But he goes to the island to make sure the raft's okay... and we all know what happens after that.

[AnotherX]

Well, when you try to drive and turn into Anti-Form, you BECOME a heartless.

I thought his heartless was when he became a shadow? Well then, I just lost 5 bucks.:(

[craigenix]

out of all the heartless sora could have been he was a shadow

[Defender]

Yes I agree that that wasnt his Heartless, because if Sora's Nobody was Roxas and was powerful, Sora's Heartless would have to be more powerful than a Shadow. I'd hate to see Riku's Nobody and Heartless.

[Chapel]

Hmm....hold on: So, sora turned into a heartless, which created roxas, right?

And before hand, he found out that Kairi's heart had been taken and put in Sora (somehow), which just created kairi's nobody, Namine. Here's the thing that confused me: How didn't kairi turn into a heartless if she didn't have a heart, AND a nobody was created?

[Xenon]

Hmm....hold on: So, sora turned into a heartless, which created roxas, right?

And before hand, he found out that Kairi's heart had been taken and put in Sora (somehow), which just created kairi's nobody, Namine. Here's the thing that confused me: How didn't kairi turn into a heartless if she didn't have a heart, AND a nobody was created?

Riku took her heart...well...Xehanort's Heartless. I never finished KH I, so I don't know what he need 7 princesses' hearts for...Kingdom Hearts much?

Kairi lost her heart (becomes Heartless, I guess)

Sora donates his (becomes heartless)

Their hearts are connected

Namine is born, and being Kairi's nobody, she can screw with anyone's heart

Roxas is born as Sora's heartless, weilding Oathkeeper (Kairi) and Oblvion (Riku) keyblades...

[lionsbarrage]

Wow in just 3 posts alot of confusion built up. ! understandable since people didnt finish the game, but lemme clear some facts up.

OK first RIku does not have a heartless or a nobody, despite what happened, things did not turn out like that, and this was all confirmed by Nomura tthat RIku didnt produce a heartless and in turn no nobody.


That shadow heartless was indeed Sora's despite why u think his heartless was of the lowest kind, that awnser is up to anyone. I for one think that because his heart was of light and good and gave it up for a good reason, there wasnt much darkness to produce a heartless of high callabor, unlike Xehanort whose heart was evil and gave it up for evil purposes.

Kairis heart was never stolen by anyone, it merly transfered over to Sora, Which produces no heartless, Further because shes a princess of heart her heart has no darkness, So her body wasnt left behind to create a nobody. namine was though of to be of something else, some other type of being other than a nobody, because she didnt have the components to make up a nobody until after Sora lost his heart.

[FlurryOfDancingFlames~]

It's either the little shadow thing in KH1 or it's the Neo-shadow that Sora turns into when he goes into anti-form.

[EspioChaos]

Look people, when Sora was talking to Yen-sid, I think, he told Sora that he had a nobody. Sora responded with "but I've never been a... O! yeah..." You didn't see antiform that early on in the game, so he HAD to be referring to the only time he was a heartless. Just because he wasn't a strong heartless doesn't mean he wasn't a heartless. The fact that he wasn't so strong could just be a plot hole, or we just don't understand the heartless. Then again, I'm not sure who exactly sora was talking too, but I don't think Antiform is something anyone in the game knows about.

[lionsbarrage]

Sora was actually talking to Riku at the very end of the game when he was saying that. Anti form is in no way related to becoming a heartless, also its just a game mechanic, and some of those arent related to the actual storyline.

[EspioChaos]

Yeah. no drive forms are even mentioned in a cutscene. All that's said is the clothes have special powers. Usually stuff like drives has nothing to do with story. If drives in stuff were meant to be a plot point, I think it would be mentioned. Especially something like Sora turning into a demonic yellow-eyed black creature

[Twilight_Riku]

Yea the antiform confused me it was cool but confusing, you have that dark resistance thing aswell when you equip different items, it makes you less likely to turn into that form. It was cool but they never really explained it unless they did and i missed it if so someone can explain why you turn into the antiform sometimes. :rikuthing:

[Khronnus]

I think you're right about anti-form just being a little thing they added into fighting and in no way relateds to the story. I do think there might be more to sora's heartless though. I know he is no longer a heartless; thanks to kairi's heart. I feel that heartless is not gone. And maybe it will come back in some form or another.

Really it's jsut guesses until the damn games comes out in a million years times -_-

[lionsbarrage]

Yea the antiform confused me it was cool but confusing, you have that dark resistance thing aswell when you equip different items, it makes you less likely to turn into that form. It was cool but they never really explained it unless they did and i missed it if so someone can explain why you turn into the antiform sometimes. :rikuthing:

the dark resistance is in no way meant for that form. Like the other resistances, its for in battle against dark magic and abilities used by ur enemies. Ur chance of going into antiform are based on a counter, meaning that for everytime u got into valor wisdom or master form u get +1 anti counter. and depending how many point u have a certain % will be there to determin if or not u go into anti form.

It is futher altered depending what bosses u face, for example a regular boss takes u % and multiples it by 2, fighting an org. member will multiply it by 4, and fighting Xemnas on his thrown will multiple it by 10. Going into anit form though will reduce the counter by 4, and going into final form will actually reduce it by 10.

Really this just tells u that anti form is basically all the negative enegry being released when u go into other forms. and sooner or later ull have a greater chance of going into it. If u ever saw dragonball GT its like the samething with the dragonballs, soo much use of them do often caused the negative energy to build up and release the evil dragons.

[Twilight_Riku]

I just figured because the dark resistance wasn't in kh1 that it was added because of the anti form, guess i was wrong =].

[xaxisa]

anti form is just somthing they added so that depending on how you used it it could turn out to be bad or good... some people say its stupid because you almost always die when it happens but thats not true it just has a REALY high...what is it called?...a learning curve? whatever.anyways the anti form has a little conection to a heartless cause whenn you use a drive and turn into anti watch his shadow...it come alive and fuses with him

[lionsbarrage]

well i dont like turning in anti form, if i do i still survive only cause KH is easy for me, so i dont take much dmg. Theres really no learning curve to anti though, since all u have is either attack or run around (really fast)

BUt actually there was a dark resistance for Kh1, a few items would give u it.