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Khaos
01-05-2007, 10:34 AM
I just found this on Wikipedia:

Prior to Series

According to a story told to Kairi by her grandmother, all the worlds of the Kingdom Hearts universe were once united in light. However, people began to become greedy, seeking more of the light for themselves, and allowing darkness to be born in their hearts. These people presumably became the first Heartless, and shattered the first world. Fortunately, surviving children were able to build new worlds from the light in their hearts, creating the worlds that exist in the Kingdom Hearts universe.

Whether or not the first Heartless still existed, a new wave of Heartless was created by the experiments conducted by Ansem and his apprentices. This force corrupted Hollow Bastion before proceeding to sweep out across the worlds, invading and conquering them one by one.

So perhaps, Ansem WASNT the creator of Heartless. People were. How long those survived, and how far they managed to travel seems short however, since they apparently shattered their world.

Also found this interesting line:

The Heartless found in Castle Oblivion are only ones made by Sora's memories

Berry187
01-05-2007, 10:52 AM
So for all we knw the first Heartless could be way stronger then Xehanort or OXIII and could show up in KHIII myb there the kights who ever said the kights were good.

Khaos
01-05-2007, 11:02 AM
Possibly...But, this is the important bit, IF the creature in the KH2 secret ending IS infact a Heartless, its shape does not support it being a Pureblood. It would HAVE to be a Emblem Heartless. Since they were created, that scene would have to be in the future, correct?

-Just a clarification, it is said that Emblem Heartless have a far wider range of shapes and differences in "sub"species then the original Purebloods.

Although it also says that Emblem ones release their hearts...Where Purebloods just dissapear...Hmm...Im going to have a look at the secret ending some more. To see it the creature just dissapear's or releases a Heart.

Berry187
01-05-2007, 11:05 AM
I was talking about the 3 knights not that shadow thinggy... but now iv just realised i smached my own idea of one bing related to Kairi... XD

Khaos
01-05-2007, 11:09 AM
Dont worry, I just fixed one of my Theorys as well :P

The Heartless(If thats what it is, who knows?) in the Secret Move must be a Pureblood, as it dissapears, but doesnt release a Heart.

Although it still seems far to developed to be just any old Pureblood Heartless...

Berry187
01-05-2007, 11:14 AM
i havent been paying any attention to the shadow thingy more to the keyblades that each of the knights have,

got the main 4 down u knw the ones in the ground also got the one the 1st knight is holding and the end of the girls one, and the handel on the other 1's one imige(SP) way to blury

Khaos
01-05-2007, 11:29 AM
Ive seen:

Mickeys Keyblade
Kingdom Key
Road to Dawn(Looks like it)
Fenir

After watching it just then, I think Oathkeeper was being held by the one to the right...

One has a Heartless Keychain btw...I just noticed that, then one on the Left.

Theres also two Keyblades with Mickeys Keychain...So one HAS to be Soras and one Mickeys. Unless thats just the common Keychain of all keyblades.

Btw, theres 3 in the ground not 4 :)

Crazyman
01-05-2007, 10:26 PM
Yeah we all know that Ansem wasnt the creator of Heartless. He just found them and researched into them more, He did though create Heartless artificially

4thkeybladeholder
01-06-2007, 01:40 AM
im just saying this, but wikipedia lies ALOT, but i think its a good theory.

Khaos
01-06-2007, 01:42 AM
Well, I think they would have branded the self created Heartless, rather then let their creations roam free with the Purebloods...I guess it might be explained in KH3

Berry187
01-06-2007, 01:44 AM
I knw theres 3 in the ground what i ment was the main ones u can see really good

Arcon-Death
01-08-2007, 04:44 AM
I believe that any heartless w/o the emblem is a "pure" heartless. Generally shadows, they can be darkballs, or darksides for example

vanilla bear
01-08-2007, 04:50 AM
the heartless have always been there... the moment darkness enters a person's heart, the heartless are born

Riku
01-13-2007, 03:39 PM
There's darkness in everyone's hearts except for the Seven Princesses of Heart. As you say though, Pureblood Heartless have always existed and Emblem Heartless were created through Ansem's research and experiments.

I think the creature or thing that disappears looks more like a Nobody to me, but I don't really know.

Alien
01-14-2007, 12:23 AM
yeah, i thought it was a nobody, it looks similar to the dragon at the end of KHII.

Aros-figure it out
01-14-2007, 01:46 AM
I think this is a great theory. ill see what my freinds think and get back

Soralion
01-14-2007, 04:43 AM
What if (eventually) The Keybearers heart loses all the darkness in itbecause the Keyblades doin sumthin to em?

Zeton9
03-30-2007, 10:33 AM
people's greed made the heartless, then ansem found them, he researched them but then realized that it might hurt the worlds, so he stopped...
then xehenort's apprentice urged him to research more and he discovered a way to make them. (hence the emblem.) but something went wrong and he and his assistants were turned into heartless.