Figure in the horizon

[vanilla bear]

I've posted this theory in another thread, but I think we could use a whole new one just to speculate. In the beginning of Kingdom Hearts 1 Sora goes into that secret spot on Destiny Islands. There he meets the man who tells them the doors have been unlocked, etc. Nomura said a character or two could have a connection to some that we've already met. Now given that this new man in the secret ending is the same from Destiny Islands, that would give him a connection to Sora. Also, the same character could have met Riku at some point. What do you think?

[SquareISKing]

I could have sworn the person that Sora meets in Destiny Islands was Ansem. (or at least the impersonator from Xehanort's heartless) I just wish the character in Sunset Horizons wasn't so hazy, but I guess that was on purpose. But that is a great theory, and it would work really well.

[vanilla bear]

well it probably ansem's heartless and that would make sense... i'm just saying if it wasn't him, maybe that would lead us to our mysterious sunset horizons man...i'm hoping

[SquareISKing]

Oooh, that would really work! in that case it would have been he who started all this junk, aside from the real Ansem. Perhaps he was Ansems second apprentice, and he learned all this from him...Ansem did have a second apprentice.

[vanilla bear]

he did? was that in one of his reports? if so, i didn't even catch that.. i guess i was too busy looking for other things to notice it

[SquareISKing]

Well apprentice, "disciples" he called them. it was in the report you posted the other day...

"If I can seek Xehanort's heart through psychological experiments, I may also be
able to unlock his sealed-off past.
It seems that another of my disciples, Even, also has a strong interest in
Xehanort's memories."

[vanilla bear]

oh right! i remember that now... hmm

[SquareISKing]

LOl, the story to KH3 is right in front of us!! but nobody can fiqure it out!

[Riku in the Dawn]

it is a possibility, but a little flaw in that...if it was Xenahorts heartless ansem or the nobody xemnas, wouldnt it have been smart to kill sora right then and there? i mean think about it, he knew that the keyblade will foil all his plans so why wouldnt he just kill the keyblade master, unless he was under the impression that it was riku and just happened to run into sora and warn him or tell him so he could advise riku.
if it was that figure, im going ot have to say itll be someone else. maybe he was introduced to us already and we didnt even know it.

[vanilla bear]

well, that's what i'm saying... maybe it wasn't ansem.. maybe the shadowy figure is the guy from kh1 that we never really met... and at that time the man who approached sora in the secret spot might not have had any idea that sora would be the keyblade master.. that it would be riku

[SquareISKing]

Hmm, but that person, whoever he was, didn't know that Sora was destined to be the keyblade master, nobody knew that...did they? I haven't played the game in a while and my memory is a little foggy. lol Sora was just another person at that time.

[vanilla bear]

exactly... that was before the night happened when the heartless started to invade destiny islands... sora, riku, kairi, etc. were all just normal citizens

[SquareISKing]

Right, and whoever it was had the power to open doors, so had to be tied to Ansem and Xehanort somehow.

[vanilla bear]

unless it was one of them.. then my whole theory is circling the drain.. or maybe it's Even..? who knows

[SquareISKing]

Is there any idea about how long ago Xehanort was Ansems appentice. Like were they working together a year ago (from where Kh1 starts) or ten years ago or fifty? That has always been a small question of mine, and it could help expain someother questions we all have.

[vanilla bear]

i'm not too sure... i don't think it ever says... all i know is ansem took xehanort under his wing when he found him and the two started doing their research..

[SquareISKing]

Because there is no telling exactly how long ago this Keyblade war took place or anything else they have said, so perhaps all of this that Kh3 covers is a piece of Xehanorts memories that perhaps needs to be reversed...? just rambling..lol

If its even in the past. Maybe, maybe not. I wish nomura would at least give us that. lol

[Riku in the Dawn]

I think when KH2:FM+ is released he'll obviously get interviewed; and hopefully uncover the projects that start this year and a little more of KH3. And now that im thinking about it, it could be Vexen[Even]. And again if he didn;t know Riku or Sora could weild the keyblade why would he go there and tell that to Sora?

[vanilla bear]

yeah, that raises a really good question.. why would he tell sora? why would the figure have told sora to begin with, regardless of who it was... and the whole thing about ansem saying Even had just as much interest in this mess as xehanort did leads me to believe we haven't seen the last of even

[Riku in the Dawn]

yupp or Ansem for that matter, even though he technically blew up with his machine in KH2, i dont think we got rid of Ansem that easily.
could it have been one of the chasers warning Sora that his adventure is about to begin?
maybe it was Even, idk why it would be but ti couldve been.
but then this still raises question, why would it be told to Sora???

[vanilla bear]

see, i have no idea... unless the person who warned sora was a chaser and chasers are from the future... maybe they can travel through time and dimension among each world...he was there to warn sora because without sora, there would be no future..?

[Riku in the Dawn]

maybe?? if they are from the future, maybe they told Sora cause in an alternate timeline, he and Riku let the darkness overcome them, and then with that happening, the chasers got overwhelmed with all the darkness and lost, and that time around they wanted to warn Sora so he could put up a fight so theyre would be a future or hope for them?

[vanilla bear]

maybe all of that stuff we've been seeing in the secret ending was from a different universe, a parallel universe or something...without sora and riku's help, the two worlds could have come into contact with each other and ending existence.

[Riku in the Dawn]

maybe but i dont think that square would make it that dramaticly deadly. maybe like ive been saying, its the evil uses of the keyblade shown, or maybe u could unlock alternate timeline mode, where u play the whole game with the keyblade usage as evil..who knows..

[vanilla bear]

well, maybe that big keyblade the center knight was holding is the one that allows him to unlock the other universes or dimensions..?

[Riku in the Dawn]

probably...

[vanilla bear]

that might be getting a little in-depth though... for now, i'm gonna stick with the theory that the giant keyblade is the original one used to lock up the worlds

[Riku in the Dawn]

yupp thats what im going with also..

[Khaos]

I have similar thoughts of the 'Even' character mentioned in the Ansem reports. He seems rather odd to be the only other assistant to be directly named.

[vanilla bear]

ok, good, we have someone else giving us their thoughts... it was just me and riku for a while... khaos, just kinda go through this topic and tell us what you think

[Riku in the Dawn]

yeah Even[Vexen] is or should be mentioned more in this game and his importance should be stated. The reason i think Xenahort never really actually lost his memory was because it says Nobodies retain all the memory from their original being, so when Xenahort became Ansem the Heartless and Xemnas the Nobody he shouldve had all his memory regained, which for that means he never lost it at all.

[Riku in the Dawn]

i found this on Wikpedia
"Sora confronts Riku again, only this time it is not truly Riku; it is actually Ansem, a scientist who conducted extensive research on the Heartless, occupying Riku's body. He is also the cloaked figure who taunted Sora on Destiny Islands. Ansem desires to become part of what he believes to be the primordial phase of existence, the darkness that he believes to compose Kingdom Hearts. Kairi is revealed to be a Princess of Heart, as her heart was trapped in Sora's body ever since they were separated. Sora and Ansem battle, with Sora as the victor. Following the battle, Sora impales himself on Ansem's Keyblade in order to free Kairi's heart, losing his own heart in the process while restoring Kairi and freeing the other Princesses' hearts. However, the pathway to Kingdom Hearts is opened."

[Raxsadian]

I have similar thoughts of the 'Even' character mentioned in the Ansem reports. He seems rather odd to be the only other assistant to be directly named.

Braig, Dalin, and Ienzo are also mentioned. They happen to be Xigbar, Xaldin, and Zexion :P

[Riku in the Dawn]

yeah though it says Axel did away with Vexen[Even] in CoM, it does say he made replicas of himself and sent them out along with Rikus replica, so im thinking that maybe when Axel thought he killed Vexen it was a replica, and i dont think we've seen the last of Zexion. Xigbar and Xaldin i hope we see again, by far, Xaldin is one of the koolest OXIII members to fight. Idk why people say hes hard, ive played KH2 around 10 times, and every time on hard mode or Proud however you see it, and i always beat Xaldin the first time, i find him fairly easy, you just have to know how to beat him. And the 'learn' reaction command is very important sooo yeah.

[Khaos]

Yes, it does name the other assistants. However, Even is the only one, to my knowledge, to be mentioned TWICE, as he also was very interested(More so then the others, i would assume) in using Xehanort as the first guinea pig.

Hence why I think he may be an important connection.

Oh, and not all Nobodies retain their memories. Only ones created from Strong Hearts. Roxa's and Namine did not have Sora or Kairis memories, because they were created using the different Hearts as vessels. When Sora gave his Heart up, because Kairis was in it, Roxas was created using Kairi as an intermediate vessel to his creation, and vice versa with Namine. This is the Theory DiZ/Ansem mentions in the true Ansem Reports.

Also, Sora was not a Heartless long enough for Roxas to obtain his memories. In hence, Roxa's apparently had half of Sora's memories and was needed to restore him.

However, Sora doesnt give any indication during the end of KH1 to be missing any Memories at all, so who knows.

[Riku in the Dawn]

True Khaos, but when you read all the Ansem Reports it never really mentions that they don't retain all their memories, like Roxas and Namine, however, retain could also mean to hold or build up of; so saying Xenahorts Nobody Xemnas retained all his memories is not entirely false, cause even though Roxas and Namine didn't really retain any, they could remember stuff happening to them at the current moments, and if DiZ would've never gotten hold of Roxas, Soras memory revival would've taken forever. And Xemnas remembered everythign that happened to him as Xenahort as Ansems apprentice, so i think he played along the whoel time saying he didnt have a memory of who he was to purposefuly experiment on himself.

[Orginization XIV]

He or She could be a Keyblade Master but you never know until it's been confirmed.

[Riku in the Dawn]

yeah in an old theory i had i said that that was the master of darkness coming to finish what his creature couldnt finish, however, after joining this forum ive actually been thinking he could be good and the other 3 bad as for the creature idk?